30 nora spells

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Greysands22, Mar 27, 2014.

  1. Greysands22

    Greysands22 I need me some PIE!

    Are out of control.

    Whispers of the Mind
    Tales of Valor (25 nora lol)
    Dragon Fear
    Blizzard Cloak
    Burning Crusade
    Channeled Violence
    Masochism
    Nublin's Pies
    Haunt/Overgrowth (real champs not even summons)
    Treefolk's Blessing

    Was there a meeting about 30 nora being the target price for single target spells no matter what they do or how good they are?

    Just curious.
     
  2. LoganMkv

    LoganMkv I need me some PIE!

    First two should simply not exist, cv may have +5, tb doesn't really need special treefolk case, everything else if fine.
     
  3. darklord48

    darklord48 Forum Royalty

    At least Dragon Fear can refund up to 15 nora if you have enough dragons out.
     
  4. Boozha

    Boozha I need me some PIE!

    Nerf Tales of Valor, Dragon Fear, Blizzard Cloak, Burning Crusade
     
  5. free20play

    free20play I need me some PIE!

    nah i'd rather we buff all the other UP and overcosted spells
     
  6. Greysands22

    Greysands22 I need me some PIE!

    So it's safe to say there is some hate for at least some of the spells on this list depending on what you play?
     
  7. Boozha

    Boozha I need me some PIE!

    Tales of Valor is simply ludicrous. The others are a bit OTT.
     
  8. Jib

    Jib Better-Known Member

    Well obviously. The stuff I use is fine and the stuff I lose to is OP. Duh.

    First 2 are dumb.
    Fear could easily lose the refund and take a hike.
    Cloak is in the same boat as Whisper. Messes you up hardcore for the price.
    CV is just stuck at the same price as the original version. Might as well be AOE3 (or2) Draks gain multi, drop the rest (its irrelevant), go for 35
    Maso is a corner case. Doubt it's the price the problem. It's the scenarios. Kinda whatever
    Piez shouldnt contest that's a given (unless that was changed though i doubt it)
    Treefolk is worth more but then again, nobody runs Taint. Is it still solid at 35? (I would assume so)
    No comment on Haunt/Growth
     
  9. super71

    super71 I need me some PIE!

    Tales of valor needs to go up to 35 nora but to get rid of it entirely is a dumb idea. I don't think any spell should ever summon a real champ and i love kthir overgrowth. Cloak need's to be more expensive and dragon fear 30 nora +get 15 nora back is kinda ridiculous. The rest i don't really see a problem with they all have ways around it just my opinion though.
     
  10. Fikule

    Fikule I need me some PIE!

    I still think there needs to be a better system in place to regulate spell casting. Nora is not a great limiter for spells as it makes them either useless or great.
     
  11. TheNidhogg

    TheNidhogg I need me some PIE!

    Quicken, Whispers, Time Slip, Tales & TacMan are all too good.
     
  12. Greysands22

    Greysands22 I need me some PIE!

    They are all offensive in their own way.
     
  13. BurnPyro

    BurnPyro Forum Royalty

    eh
     
  14. Xiape

    Xiape I need me some PIE!

    Several of the cheap spells like Ancient Implications and Dragonfear are too cheap for what they do. However they're too strong precisely because they're too cheap. (For example, Dragonfear is cleansible, but being able to cast it for 15-20 nora is why it's strong.)

    However it's probably best to let the owls do the thing , so we don't get into players defending their own faction and accusing the rest.
     
  15. Karmavore

    Karmavore MEDIUMALLTIME

    Whispers is bonkers, sure it has acleansable clause to it, but if you don't have spell detection and or valid cleansing options (ones that don't cost nora) it's such a huge tempo hit. All for thirty Nora.
     
  16. Greysands22

    Greysands22 I need me some PIE!

    You have to hit them all because literally EVERYONE is crutching on at least one of these right now.
     
  17. Boozha

    Boozha I need me some PIE!

    Pray tell, on which does FS crutch :|
     
  18. Greysands22

    Greysands22 I need me some PIE!

    Bubble but it's 40 nora so its a little more balanced
     
  19. Boozha

    Boozha I need me some PIE!

    It also got nerfed two or three times by now, its only in half my BG's anymore.
     
  20. Greysands22

    Greysands22 I need me some PIE!

    Didn't it start as 30 nora too?
     

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