Borghas and Ember Wasp mechanic discussion

That is all.

 

Me smellz a trollz....

 

and que nerf discussion
something something fire volitility is op something something nerf now

 

Me smellz a zealot

 

Why baskit you bloodhound you! Maybe I need to sprinkle pepper on my tracks!

 

That would make me sneeze.

 

Learn to position.

 

If you know they have a wasp out you should try to spread your units out. That way they are wasting a lot of nora just to kill one of your champions.

 

Moga sapper is the new wasp.Just use some relocation to make sure he is not shot down at range.There is a dude in rare league constantly playing fire volatility sp/ud bg,i always find it pretty interesting to play against him and see all the cool little combos he plays.
Fire Volatility is a risk-reward strategy thats based on positioning and can be countered by nearly all bgs.

 

Just to clarify; seeing as how the name of the thread calls for a discussion but OP doesn't actually discuss -

Ember Wasp + Borghas + Fireblast is 36 AoE Fire damage spread over three pulses (relevant for, say, Tough), followed by a pulse each from the fire vols. for another 24 damage, accompanied by two additional 9 + 12 damage pulses from Wasp's Flame Nova on Borghas demon, then two additional pulses from Fire Volatility from Borghas getting Wasp, etc...; for 85 nora + 68 for the wasp (153 nora total, but you only need 85 at any given time). This works out to upwards of 70 damage AoE in Area 2, if my math is right, which I'm not sure of, because Fire Resistance would lead to diminishing returns. On one hand, that kills anything without immunity to fire . On another hand, it's a pretty small AoE and needs a lot of setting up. It's not particularly more unfair than forbidden fruit when you use it to kill a champion; or even three, but the problem is that your stealth wasp can eventually cross the map and instakill the opponent's shrine.

Is the issue the whole thing, or just the stealth shrine bomb? I'm asking because giving Wasp Faithless would mean you would have to actually fight through to the shrine before instakilling it, without destroying the wasp/borghas bomb's ability to nuke a small area vs champions.

 

its a time warp

 

I was commenting based on current state and mostly my experience with the mentioned dude.

 

Most relevant comment in the whole thread. Pic to prove the veracity of this claim follows:

 

I can say in my short time here, every other ranked game I play is against this deck (hints I play very low ranked games). Wasp, Moga Cannon and Moga Sapper doing everything they can to insta kill my units or ignore my units and hit my shrine with fire blast and borghas thrown somewhere in there. I used to really hate this deck but now that I understand how it works, I just find it another annoying mechanic. It is nothing game breaking once you understand how it works but too any noob who has no skills, this is the mechanic designed for them.

 

Thing about borgbomb is that it's a champ only strat vs FW and killing champs vs FW is meh.

Not commenting on the power, just saying that it had a major counter.

 

Boosted Fire Blast kills Borghas without proccing Voltility.
This is not acceptable, IMO.

 

You had to do it with two wasps, firebomb vs from likely a cave runner and that one spell that radiates fire our from center as well as tinderbox before that never ending loop was fixed.

Doable, but that's a fully dedicated borg/wasp/imp deck which is much easier to beat, imo, than UD meta that includes the borg/wasp as a module.

 

Snogvie's reveal on deploy fun singlehandedly stopped so many Caine bombs.

 

Does giving Ember Wasp faithless sound like an acceptable solution to this? Or is it not considered a problem, and that one should just run more detection? It's just that you can get the runes that enable the strategy easily, while newer players don't have access to things like Snogvie.