Buying PoxNora...The (NOT SO) Final Post->Read!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Bondman007, Jul 22, 2018.

  1. aseryen

    aseryen I need me some PIE!

    Someone linked some .json data a while ago that has a full list of abilities/conditions/status effects.

    Not sure if there is accessibility to the sprites in their entirety, only thing I havent fully archived. Been manually saving each sprite as I get time.
     
  2. Poxpoints

    Poxpoints I need me some PIE!

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  3. Capitulator

    Capitulator I need me some PIE!

    Those links... are handy. I actually wrote a script to crawl the site and download all the champion/ability/mechanic info. On the plus side it is simple to grab all the sprites this way as well.
    @aseryen I put a list of the base sprites for all champions and relics at https://www.dropbox.com/s/4pbu7xmp75fl4g8/sprites.txt?dl=0
    There are also attack, damaged, deploy etc sprites but I've no idea where those are kept.
     
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  4. JaceDragon

    JaceDragon I need me some PIE!

    With these data, is it possible to run a private server of pox? Like it happens for WoW for example, without breaking any legals terms or laws
     
  5. LoganMkv

    LoganMkv I need me some PIE!

    It should be possible to get already mapped unity animations from the client with Devx Unpacker. Or raw spritesheets with any unity/java unpacker - there should be at very least a legacy java lib in the old client to slice them, maybe Sok or someone else knows details.
    But I really doubt that sprites are worth salvaging
     
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  6. dbouya

    dbouya I need me some PIE!

    With access to all the abilities in some sort of database, it might be possible to do something like play poxnora on tabletop simulator, potentially without any rules enforcement, with the players just assigning actions as they see fit, assuming both players know the rules. Tabletop Simulator is full of mods that use IP the modder doesn't own, and if no one complains it stays up, and if someone complains it gets taken down. This ends up meaning people are mostly playing fantasy flight games because fantasy flight doesn't care to complain. I don't have the technical expertise to do something like this, but I do play games on tabletop simulator regularly and if poxnora were on there I'm sure I'd play it a few times.
     
  7. Karmavore

    Karmavore MEDIUMALLTIME

    How far can this be technically pushed? Is it possible to just recolor things and change sprite arts slightly away from original? Or would that infringe on the copyright laws?
    Would be cool if we could just take existing sprites and edit them a bit to our liking..
     
  8. Fentum

    Fentum I need me some PIE!

    That sounds like ‘passing off’. It’s a breach of trademark
     
  9. Capitulator

    Capitulator I need me some PIE!

    I've looked into it a bit and that's definitely infringing. Anything that starts from part of the original sprite will be a derivative work and so counts as copying.

    If you reproduce the sprites from scratch then it seems to be down to interpretation. If you attempted to copy the original, then you still infringe. If you just make your own art that looks similar (but not *too* similar) it's probably ok.
     
  10. Karmavore

    Karmavore MEDIUMALLTIME

    Yeah seems to be a lot of legal blah blah at the end of the day.. hard to do anything to similar so it’s best just to start from scratch. Sucks they’d be able to sue when they’re just dumping everything into the wasteland of the internet 404...
     
  11. polltroy

    polltroy I need me some PIE!

    I had an idea for this game for years. I know some of you guys always thought my ideas were wrong about game. But in retroperspective... it seems game kind of died because of same reasons I quit. And i keep coming back once per few months or so hoping something happened. Sadly it never did. :(

    Anyway my idea could be for DOG or for a new group of players/investors. I could even be part of it somehow (but I dont have alot of time). The idea i will present in a separate thread. Its for PoxLITE. That is kind of going back to basics. Redo all but do it right. And get the community to hang in and reinvest etc.


    EDIT: now i read the whole thread and seems DOG is gone so idea is impossible unless someone can come in contact with lawyers doing liquidation?
     
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  12. fogandsteel

    fogandsteel I need me some PIE!

    I agree with the idea that for POX to have a wider appeal, it has to become simpler. As it is, the game is too complex for an average gamer.
    (Of course, a lot of complexity comes from having many expansions as the number of possible combinations of 30 runes increases exponentially as the number of expansions grows.
    If I understand correctly, the MTG deals with this problem by restricting the number of expansions that you can draw cards from for each year's tournaments.)
     
  13. polltroy

    polltroy I need me some PIE!

    The fact that game is still up, servers still up etc, should it not mean that someone cares about pox to pay for all this? And if someone does it could mean someone thinks it can be sold or rescued somehow? Maybe its not over, just some kind of pause waiting for someone to take over again?
     
  14. polltroy

    polltroy I need me some PIE!

    Maybe someone could take over game and just pay for servers and then revind the PS4 update. Could be really cheap solution. That way the game could be playable again. I just tried to play a match. The current launcher takes away the joy. Its like it feels like all animations whole game is in slow motion. And it makes you annoyed and sad when playing. Plus the chat was one of the main parts of the game...
     
  15. Bondman007

    Bondman007 I need me some PIE!

    Here's the short answer: No...

    Here's the details... Just because the servers are up and the domain is around doesn't mean much at all really. According to @Sokolov and others who know a lot more than I on how all this virtual stuff works, basically you "lease" the domain and server time. Once the "lease" is up it has to be renewed or else you lose one or the other or potentially both. We have no idea if either will "auto renew" or if anyone will pay to have them continue. All we know as a semi-fact is that apparently on
    October 2019 that PoxNora will lose its domain unless it's renewed. If its not renewed, PoxNora.com will lead to server 404 error. Domain not found... So technically, yes, they will run but no, they will shut down if not renewed.
     
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  16. polltroy

    polltroy I need me some PIE!

    Is it correct everyone at DOG including @Sokolov was fired and now company is under liquidation? If not I dont see why it would not be possible to make some liscense deal with them about a PoxLITE version or even a Kickstarter just to pay for some server time for next 10 years or so. And maybe rewind the game to how it was PRE PS4... just upload old backups. And then keep it like that until someone decides to do something with it. Camt hurt DOG cant hurt liquidation value. Should be win win easy deal.
     
  17. polltroy

    polltroy I need me some PIE!

    and value of pox cant be alot... took this from google. someone should pay for a complete bysiness report:

    "Desert Owl Games, LLC is a privately held company in Tucson, AZ and is a Single Location business.

    Own This Business?
    Categorized under Video Games. Our records show it was established in 2011 and incorporated in AZ. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of $134315 and employs a staff of approximately 2."
     
  18. Baalzamon

    Baalzamon I need me some PIE!

    They would sue you only if you make money off of them. Companies generally look the other way until someone makes money on their property.
     
  19. darklord48

    darklord48 Forum Royalty

    Sokolov isn't an employee, he's an independent contractor.
     
  20. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    No. The company is not in liquidation. That would mean they filed for bankruptcy and the assets are being sold off.
     

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