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I agree with you,this is the death of a mechanic which made worms playable and interesting.
RIP worms,it was a fun ride.
I will always tresure the moment i defeated Burn with worms and bunch of NWO members made a nerf worm thread and started complaining about necrosis on crate.

 

Thanks for crediting NWO with creating my thread.

 

There was hospy and pede and others who joined the worm hate train on that thread and crate.

 

Thats because worms are a theme with a ridiculously broken mechanic alongside things like imps. The slightest buff or even new rune can change them from being a mediocre theme to destroying the meta and I'm sorry if us catching on to to that offends you. I still stand by my statement that necrosis having very little drawback and no counter play is full on ********.

 

Totally fair opinion. And if that's the way most folks see it, then I guess worms are out. It's a bummer. I had fun with them for a while, but that's that.

 

I think there is a degree of truth in this but this is also what makes it an interesting and fun theme to play. Other themes like stitched and imps also have strong, unique, mechanics and provide a welcome change in gameplay from the standard.

 

Another option would be to have an additional ability like the old creep master (which I can't remember what did - please say if you know). I don't usually like to see mechanics complicated by multiple abilities but it would make creating a more rounded theme easier.

 

Old creep master was expand zone upon kill and would grant 2 def(?) and siege to all worms in deployment zone.

 

The issue is maintaining a realistic net gain in creep zone.

I'll write more after I see avengers tonight.

 

That's a competitive environment. There's acceptable, there's bad, and then there is S-tier meta dominators. If it ain't good, it's bad.

On Necrosis:

Because growth now depends upon actually succeeding in the early- and mid-game, and if you do that, why the heck do you need a win-more late-game racial?

 

I think that's a mediocre analogy. First, to clarify, you mean that all units would gain the additional benefit per kill, and this wouldn't be a champ-by-champ basis? If so, no, it's good because it provides an immediate upfront benefit and scales at an insane rate. I think a better analogy would be "Your units gain +2 global damage for every basic attack kill, and -1 global damage for every friendly champion death." That's worse, but still better than Necrosis because +1 DMG > +1 SDZ. Necrosis provides nothing -- maybe 1-2 AP on followup deploys -- for its initial cost, and requires serious volume. Volume. If you are getting kills in volume then to hell with the SDZ. If you are trading even near 1:1 on nora and deaths with the current worm champions, play anything else and hit PBM, you're a god.

Maybe SDZ-free Bile Zombies compensate for this, but I doubt it.

 

One minor point: +SDZ on deploy is a different kind of up-front benefit, because it requires some number of followup actions before it actually provides value.

I think they are very different kinds of scaling. I'm guessing the change is already through though, so just here's hoping for flat nora back on death in Coalitions and calling it a wrap.

 

True, true.
Still think worms are going to be bad after patch.