Can we get impeding 2 terrain back?

Example I was reffering to: leaving my unit on a determined "X spot" to lure my opponent, so he could spend AP to reach it => double tap or attack once => 0AP => KB into cliff.
I failed many times on that because: A) opponent wouldnt move into X spot; B) opponent woulnt spend all the AP, which would lead to no knockback.
Simply knockbacking 0AP units into chasm is something that really doesnt happen very often, unless the opponents makes a mistake (which I feel he should be punished for).

Regarding Shadowshank: yeah, its a "fun cat and mouse game" if you are into attrition and hour long games, which Im under the impression the majority of the playerbase isnt. Cause I mean, unless you are packing detection or anti-stealth mechanics the other player has the kill, theres no way around that (after all, we are talking about the faction with Mobi).
I think the game would be better off if he just had assassinate and thats it.

 

I would like to see his sprite more over him just being completely annoying to see. it's actually a cool sprite and good art

 

I actually do not mind the cat and Mouse game of Shadow Shank. You are forfeiting dmg now for the instant kill later on. Even with mobi players using it against me have forfeited quite a bit to get the kill off. With super champs going away it is not as such high reward now. I really see a lot more strategy in place using Shadow Shank than using forbidden fruit.

KB Cliffing is really in the same boat as strategy is concerned. There is more of baiting them in strategy, instead of the cat and mouse strategy. KB cliffing should come back, to counter some of the DMZ and super hard to kill champs and or heal to full health. When KB cliffing was a threat healing champs would never had been so bold to go so far forward and expend all of their ap. Now as I see some healing is getting nerfed. I would rather see the healing stay in place while KB cliffing remained a threat and let the skills win it out.

Domi cliffing is a pretty much a guaranteed cliff dive by a decent player with click and go. One true defense to it now is iron will. (I wish shield was back to protection from spells, other factions have protection from spells )

I would not mind seeing all of it remain in place. All of them are pretty brutal, and it would balance out some of the other strategies that are over powering right now and they could remain in place.

 

I love how spotting a champion near a cliff and then knocking the champion into it is considered strategic.

It's only a raw benefit you get by punishing someone's mistake, giving you the advantage. I doubt there were many instances in which people knock-backed a champion into a cliff and went 'A-HA! TOTS PLANNED IT' (unless it was a dedicated deck and even then besides create chasm decks it's questionable). Maps like Shattered Peaks were always a nightmare between the limited space and the risk of possession diving. Both are drag and drop instances in most cases, les' not pretend that isn't the case.

Knock back-chasm is, albeit slightly more interactive than possdiving, very simple. Les' not glorify it.

 

@Sokolov I think you quoted the person who agrees with you.

 

I understand the concept of capitalizing on your opponent's mistake. I've knocked champions into cliffs many times. Too many. What I'm not keen on is on the type of advantage that this interaction provided. Top players might argue otherwise as it adds a layer to the competitive environment (y'know the whole stand off thing where something like that could define the match) but I find it silly that it's thought to be any different than any insta kill method out there when the only limiting factor is the number and positions of chasms within a certain map and how much attention your opponent is not paying to his/her positioning when their champs are around them.

Realistically I have no concerns regarding the way you are proposing chasms should work as long as they don't end up being impassable terrain. I feel this -change to knockback/cliffing- also opens up design space. New relocation and opposing champion movement abilities. Just saying.

Edit: bully. But sure.

 

Oh why not. According to everyone the world is already burning.

 

First: KB chasm have more requirements to pull off => 0 ap; the map actually having chasms. Oh wait, I forgot Shadowshank has hard requirements to be able to pull off. Le sigh
But hey, Im assuming you are indeed nerfing shadowshank then, for "consistency" purposes, because ir will allow more options for the owner and opponent right?
Jeez

 

I think there should be a benefit of knocking back against a chasm over a champ/relic/wall. Like it should do more damage than normal or trigger something else like the champ only gains half ap next turn to recover from nearly falling down into the chasm?

 

But we built this city on arbitrary rules

 

Maybe they are slowed or gain lumbering if they are knocked back into a chasm.