Discussion: Preview Video Expansion 27 & Weekend Tournament

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Senshu, Nov 6, 2015.

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  1. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    As for the Hyaenid, the stats told to you aren't the latest or necessarily final even if it was, but does reflect the direction of the rune. Yea, it's not a standalone rune, and is more of a mobile relic that amps other people's damage. I am also not sure SPD is super important in a champ that doesn't use AP to attack.

    Also, the DMG the ability applies is a static value now and not an attack - which I think changes the Havoc's Touch equation a bit.
     
    Sokolov, Nov 10, 2015
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  2. themacca

    themacca Master of Challenges

    Isn't havocs touch already giving reduced buffs to ranged units?
     
    themacca, Nov 10, 2015
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  3. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    This rune is melee range, it just has an ability that deals damage (which was an attack in the original design, but isn't now) at RNG.

    Thus, if it WAS an attack, then Havoc's Touch would amp it's damage significantly.

    Now that it's not an attack but a flat damage trigger, it bypasses various attack counters, but can't be amped via +DMG effects.
     
    Sokolov, Nov 10, 2015
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  4. Ballballer

    Ballballer Chief Antagonist

    Okay ill take your word for it, but if you cant amp this things damage it is going to be absolutely awful (at least from what ive been told). Would rather just slap rods on things for easier one rounding most of the time
     
    Ballballer, Nov 10, 2015
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  5. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    That said, without Havoc's Touch shenanigans, I think it moves away from your OP or shoebox problem somewhat. The champ is also cheaper because it doesn't need all that DMG base now for this ability to do anything at all
     
    Sokolov, Nov 10, 2015
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  6. Ballballer

    Ballballer Chief Antagonist

    See i disagree. It moves away from the op part certainly, but the "why would i deploy this just to do 18 damage and then have it die" part is still certainly there
     
    Ballballer, Nov 10, 2015
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  7. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    Anyway, I try my best to make interesting, playable stuff that isn't OP. Sometimes I succeed, sometimes I don't - it's difficult because I do most of it in a vacuum and don't have the benefit of as much playtesting as I'd like. In the end, my goal is to make stuff people have fun trying out and using. This rune in particular I am excited to see in action because I think this rune is fairly unique and is a mechanic that's worth trying out.

    I mean, I suppose I could axe the new ability and make a standard ranged Hyaenid with Attack - Electricity. But that doesn't seem all that interesting.
     
    Sokolov, Nov 10, 2015
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  8. themacca

    themacca Master of Challenges

    I think this thing is more for designated lightning BGs and provided the range is good enough dealing extra damage when you do a lightning Rod+lightning storm combo could amp the damage up pretty significantly. Whats the range of the ability sok.
     
    themacca, Nov 10, 2015
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  9. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    5, and it deals 10 damage flat, ignoring DEF.
     
    Sokolov, Nov 10, 2015
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  10. Ballballer

    Ballballer Chief Antagonist

    Ahh my bad i thought it was 9. It's still only 2 applications per turn tho right?
     
    Ballballer, Nov 10, 2015
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  11. Ballballer

    Ballballer Chief Antagonist

    How about a magic damage voil with sever summons cough cough
     
    Ballballer, Nov 10, 2015
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  12. Sokolov

    Sokolov The One True Cactuar Octopi

    When it was an attack it'd have been 9 because he had 9 base DMG.

    But yea, 2x trigger per round because otherwise, one Lightning Storm and you are getting 100% amp basically.

    It was also initially first time each turn, but that's removed now.

    Anyway, it's not a standard meta rune by any means, but I think Electricity players will find him interesting enough.
     
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    Sokolov, Nov 10, 2015
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  13. themacca

    themacca Master of Challenges

    while we're having a whinge for lightning stuff. Storm field plz
     
    themacca, Nov 10, 2015
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  14. mw24

    mw24 I need me some PIE!

    idk how strong the new hyaenid is I havent seen it yet but the problem with hyaenids is the design of many of the hyaenids that currently exist. too many poor ranges and bad hp/def combinations. Also bad choices are being made on some upgrade lies, hyaenid pack leader for example should have shock base and commander as an upgrade, instead it has both on the same upgrade line...

    3-4 and 2-4 range probably shouldn't even be in this game they are freaking terrible. Unless the champ has op abilities and or stats its almost always going to suck. Even frostfall dragon is mediocre and its abilities and stats are op as heck. Its really frustrating seeing new champs given horrible ranges or stats. Also there are still alot of worthless sandbag abilities in this game like static aura ruining champs.
     
    mw24, Nov 10, 2015
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  15. Ballballer

    Ballballer Chief Antagonist

    Also, I predict the new IS spell to be op with call:celestial spear. Calling it now
     
    Ballballer, Nov 10, 2015
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  16. Cydna

    Cydna Forum Royalty

    You think everything is OP.

    Deep mines would work better.
     
    Cydna, Nov 10, 2015
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  17. themacca

    themacca Master of Challenges

    Not true at all. ask him about stuff from SP ;)
     
    themacca, Nov 10, 2015
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  18. Ballballer

    Ballballer Chief Antagonist

    yeah brilliant idea putting your lumbering nora gen unit into harms way!
     
    Ballballer, Nov 10, 2015
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  19. Ballballer

    Ballballer Chief Antagonist

    buff sp
     
    Ballballer, Nov 10, 2015
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  20. Cydna

    Cydna Forum Royalty

    Plant the mines than run away or bait them in range duh noob gg wp.
     
    Cydna, Nov 11, 2015
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