Dusk Creeper

His second ability upgrade should be changed too then, it's pretty useless as a collector

 

Soul collector also won't be a target for reapers blade for double taps from stealth to complete an essence drain kill.

 

Collector is a really weird champ atm.

The only cool thing about him is that he has lich race for a collective vamp bg.

Vamps currently have clear distinction between starting champs (cheap, applying bleed, expendable) and lategame champs (expensive, strong, utilizing bleed, with staying capabilities). Collector is neither.

In liches or chops collector simply does so little for his cost, that even if he eats all tasty globes possible, you are still likely only wasted nora and slot.

 

He doesn't stealth, so he will never occupy the same role as Dusk. I've played with him at various points since Dusk lost Dead Eater, and he ain't decent right now. It's 80+ nora for a squishy melee champ with backloaded benefit. He doesn't deal damage, and a good third of his abilities do nothing for him as a result.

Just losing Life Siphon, with no other changes, would probably make him playable. His cheapest build would be at 70 nora for a small DMZ aura, a sandbag upgrade, and some generation potential. Without either Forage or Assimilate he still makes for a vulnerable and flimsy option, but he'd be worth a shot for a while at least.

 

Remove Life siphon from base and put instead of soultap upgrade, add scorn+ethereal in base, JOB DONE!.

 

Hoping for Scorn might be a bit much, that would be too beautiful. Also, I think Sok doesn't like that ability.

 

- I think desecrated zone should have a larger aoe, and lose the lame enemy priest/paladin/shaman lame aspect. This way it could provide spell support and he could support the growing DMZ theme (although its not WAI yet but still).

 

give soul collection to necromancer or ghoul

 

For what reasons do you feel that would be a better design choice than buffing Soul Collector?

 

I don't agree at all with giving Soul Collection to ghoul.

I do however like giving him Assimilate.

 

This is funny because your avatars.

Give soul collection to boneguard infantry.

 

To me, Dusk Creaper is a bit OP, but not in a dominating way.

I would like u guys focus on runes that r very least played, like Bonewing or remake FW faction bonus.

 

Can we give death harvester soul collection? i would just love that.

 

=O

 

It would really fit him, just like Collection of Souls .

 

@Sokolov - If you're looking to change Dusk Creeper and/or worms, please give my previous round of suggestions some thought when you get the chance.

Summary of those suggestions (for reference within this thread) starting with Dusk Creeper:
(Explanations have been snipped to avoid TL;DR syndrome. See the linked post above and/or ask questions )

Dusk Creeper - [7 DMG | 6 SPD | 2-4 RNG | 0 DEF | 45 HP] - Race: Arthropod Worm

Path 1 = Cloak 1 | Improve Damage | Improve Range
Path 2 = Protective | Startle | Surge: Shadows
Base = Attack: Sonic | Domain: Shadows | Necrosis | Still Life
(Default upgrades = Cloak 1 + Startle)​

I'm all for returning him to his previous role so that other Nora gen sources within FW can come into their own, again.

Necrosis (2N)

+1 SDZ when deployed from the runedock (anywhere)
​

Worm Lord (6N)

+1 SDZ when deployed from the runedock (anywhere)
+1 SDZ when a friendly Arthropod or Worm within 5 squares destroys an opposing real champion with a basic attack​

Also, consider restricting the deployment of champions in the expanded SDZ:

Cannot be deployed within X (3?) of an opposing champion

OR​

Must be deployed within X (5?) of a friendly champion​

Spells/Relics

Necro Hex [30N] - (rename "Necrotic Touch")

+1 SDZ
Target real champion gains Death Spawn: Carrionling, Hostile and Race: Worm
If it already has Race: Worm, it gains Boon of the Undead and Race: Undead
​

"Deploy" a Carrionling into the target (for buffs) that spawns when it dies.

Mist of the Dead [40N]

This relic has Necrosis, Propagate: Carrionling and Shroud​

Worm Lords

Blinking Creeper - [8 DMG | 6 SPD | 3-5 RNG | 0 DEF | 45 HP] - Race: Arthropod Worm

Path 1 = Declare Target | Petrifying Gaze | Psychological Warfare
Path 2 = Detection 3 | Horrific Aura 2 | Unspeakable
Base = Attack: Psychic | Flight | Vengeful | Worm Lord
(Default upgrades = Petrifying Gaze + Detection 3)​

Putrid Creeper - [8 DMG | 6 SPD | 1 RNG | 2 DEF | 50 HP] - Race: Arthropod Worm

Path 1 = Assimilate | Logistics: Life Siphon | Tough 2
Path 2 = Acidic Greeting | Scour 1 | Sunder 2
Base = Attack: Acid | Shrine Defender | Sting 1 | Worm Lord
(Default upgrades = Tough 2 + Scour 1)​

Necrosis Worms

Blood Fiend - [11 DMG | 4 SPD | 1 RNG | 0 DEF | 60 HP] - Race: Undead Vampyre Worm

Path 1 = Blood Frenzy 2 | Blood Rage | Exertion 3
Path 2 = Bleed | Lifedrinker | Life Siphon
Base = Attack: Physical | Berserker 1 | Blood Fueled | Boon of the Undead | Necrosis
(Default upgrades = Blood Frenzy 2 + Lifedrinker)​

Added Blood Frenzy 2 and Blood Rage as alternatives to Exertion 3.

Bloodworm - [12 DMG | 6 SPD | 1 RNG | 1 DEF | 49 HP] - Race: Arthropod Vampyre Worm

Path 1 = Bleed | Combo Attack: Drain | Life Siphon
Path 2 = Bloodlust | Opportunistic Assault | Surge: Worm
Base = Attack: Physical | Brutality | Necrosis
(Default upgrades = Life Siphon + Opportunistic Assault)​

Carrion Colossus - [14 DMG | 7 SPD | 1 RNG | 2 DEF | 75 HP] - Race: Undead Worm Zombie

Path 1 = Disease Aura | Surge: Worm | Surge: Zombie
Path 2 = Swarm: Carrionling | Vivify | Zombie Apocalypse
Base = Attack: Physical | Boon of the Undead | Chuck: Carrionling | Death Spawn: Carrionling | Propagate Carrionling | Titan
(Default upgrades = Surge: Worm + Swarm: Carrionling)​

Eye of Serkan - [10 DMG | 6 SPD | 4-6 RNG | 0 DEF | 48 HP] - Race: Arthropod Worm

Path 1 = Psychic Anguish | Soultap | Soul Vitality
Path 2 = Frightful Blows | Soul Feast | Surge: Worm
Base = Attack: Psychic | Defenseless | Detection 3 | Necrosis
(Default upgrades = Soultap + Soul Feast)​

Mindthief Creeper - [8 DMG | 6 SPD | 2-3 RNG | 0 DEF | 45 HP] - Race: Arthropod Worm

Path 1 = Adaptation | Psychic Jab | Reflection 3
Path 2 = Energy Thief | Escape | Reinforcement 1
Base = Attack: Psychic | Evasive 2 | Necrosis | Paralyze | Still Life
(Default upgrades = Psychic Jab + Energy Thief)​

Phantasmal Creeper - [10 DMG | 6 SPD | 1-2 RNG | 0 DEF | 41 HP] - Race: Arthropod Worm

Path 1 = Magical Aura 2 | Magical Bomb 1 | Magic Nova 3
Path 2 = Curse 2 | Hex 2 | Magical Attack
Base = Attack: Physical | Ethereal | Resistance: Magical 3 | Necrosis
(Default upgrades = Magic Nova 3 + Hex 2)​

Rotmaw Creeper - [10 DMG | 6 SPD | 1 RNG | 1 DEF | 48 HP] - Race: Arthropod Worm

Path 1 = Rabid 3 | Rapid Attack | Shred Defense
Path 2 = Clamp | Latch On | Opportunistic Assault
Base = Attack: Physical | Necrosis | Sword Breaker
(Default upgrades = Shred Defense + Opportunistic Assault)​

 

Why would this require you to rename Festering Corpse?

 

Sorry, that's supposed to say "rename to" but your comment has reminded me that Festering Corpse is already a champion. Fixing it now :S

 

I was incredibly confused for a moment there.

 

Yeah, I didn't like the name with the proposed changes, but I didn't double check the name before suggesting it to see if it was taken. Obviously I'm not a Zombie player :S *facepalm*