How to counter deep elf manslayer + nefari guardian

I think deep elf man slayers are insane combined with bodyguard its even worse.

How to counter this?

 

Stun, paralyze, enemy champ movement.

 

I main ST we are kinda low on stun and paralyze options, if I can remeber right. champ movement, gale sure, thats one.

 

Move bodyguard away from manslayer than kill manslayer.

If you think it's hard with ST, try playing SL.

 

Yeah I figured that much out, still need 5 attacks to kill the thing... Since I cant use spells, thx CA.
Its not always just "move" I could imagine that SL got a harder time then ST

 

On smaller maps I usually lose against first draw manslayer, especially if the enemy goes first (which seems to be a reocurring issue). Many of the games I play are - withdraw the font rush or lose.

 

Is it just the 2 dmg that's going to the BG or the full dmg of the attack?

 

ST has swap and gale force.

Generally, you can try and target the BG unit directly. Use champ control on the manslayer, range down the BG unit.

 

gale?

not that hard, just save up for an alpha gale it away from it's body guard and pummel it.

 

surrender and hope for a non-UD matchup. Should work about 80% of the time.

 

if knockbacked it should take all dmg from knockback, unless combat awareness.

 

Rapid Attack!

 

So all BGS now must have a rapid attack champ to be able to beat 20% of the BGs out there? Given there are 10 champs with rapid attack in 3 non-udfactions, this kind of limits diversity of BGs quite a bit....

 

I didnt say it has to be your answer to the problem at hand. Its just mine.

 

You can also restrict their movement with cheap meat while you do a run around to destroy their shrine. People seem to forget the goal of the game is to kill your opponent's shrine, not kill so many champs that they surrender.

 

Yea, and that strategy you can also apply if they same UD champ cost only 30 nora not 77. You cant avoid the problem that he is OP by saying there are other ways to win by ignoring him. Its all about win chances. You always have a small 5 to win each game, but if one faction gives you always a big advantage, or one champ always gives you a small advantage, then the game is unbalanced and stupid.

 

If UD always has a big advantage against your BG, then you're not balancing the build of your BGs well enough. If you really think the game is unbalanced and stupid, then perhaps it is time to find a different game to play.

 

manslayer? use dark rising
gg wp