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Is there something more specific you had in mind about Leoss? Any more particulars about how they would play? In a defensive sense, that is.

Edit: Posted just as I saw above post, replying...

 

@Sokolov any thoughts about my suggestion? I believe it would help level the playing field for those that don't have avatars or haven't fully leveled them yet.

 

I think this is mostly fine. Aside from one very specific split, people don't split for bonuses anyway -- it's for exciting rune combinations. I think if you took away split bonuses, you could consider (if you like the idea) phasing out Warbanners as well.

Curious about the reasoning behind these three? If you wanted to do something radical, you could make the FS bonus interact with spells more explicitly than the current one does. FW bonus is a a touchy subject.

I think if you just made it a Blood Rage variant that can only target Bloodied champions it would be much better, assuming that you want to do something like that. Making it a distinct activated ability does two useful things: first, it removes the CD reset thing you mentioned, and second, it prevents layering abilities inside each other, which can be confusing and sometimes hard to track.

Which was this? The perseverance kind of one?

 

What about Dark Awakening and maybe a bit more Shadestrike/Desecrated Zone as upgrade options? That would work well in Arroyo at least as they already have some nice DMZ synergy.

 

Just wondering @Sokolov . How difficult would it be to recover 20 rune docks from the past? Is it salvageable?
I'm perfectly happy with the fixes being done and all to the units.

But I would really only prefer more casual and quicker pvp.

Other than that, i would always prefer more theme based triggers. Still hoping for my abridged bunnies to appear ingame

 

• Vampyres/Bloodied Ideas
  • Bloodied Scent - Homing Sense for Bloodied and below 50% HP - Or attacks gain precision/strike vs bloodied?
  • Hemorrhage (how is there not an ability named this?) - When adjacent to bloodied enemy champ gives this champion .... lifedrinker? or Gore/rend 3
  • Vampiric embrace - When adjacent to bloodied enemy champion this champion gains ... (latch on/clamp?)
• Barbarians Ideas
  • The original barbarian racial that I was a part of back during SOE was interesting in that it allowed for a very particular way of playing. Unfortunately it was also very clunky, but perhaps something more along those lines makes sense still (Which do you mean? the nora reduction for not deploying non-barbs or unbending force type one?)
  • Ideally, a nice racial brings back the old feel of being able to go full throttle up the gut and wreck some havoc (This would be great...they don't feel in your face or more aggro compared to other themes in the faction
• Spirits/Soultap Ideas
  • Soultap Culling - Gain Nora when attacking Soultapped units
  • Soul Curse - Units that become Soultapped also becomes Cursed (This builds nicely off soulseeker since it works for cursed as well)
  • Soul call - Target soultapped enemy champion within 5 spaces is relocated 3 spaces closer
  • Soul Channeling - This is a neat ability since it gives healing and nora and damage AND in an AoE... it does do a little bit too much and prolly borderline OP in the lab but feels underwhelming in practice. I think it has to do with the order of operations and squishiness of the champs its on since it takes a lot of resolving turns to start to deal damage and if the champ gets one turned they cant heal... Maybe it should heal at the end of it's turn and that way it can at least save it from tick damage somethimes.
  • That said, if there are suggestions on champions adjustment that would make Spirits work better within their Soultapped/DMZ/Vengeful slant, feel free to mention it. I think there is good synergy with Psychic that could be added on. Psychic agony is a great ability that went under the radar

 

I was thinking something like Teleport: DMZ for spirits could work, like they are popping in and out of the rift/utterdark

Though I'm wondering if it's a good idea to start throwing new abilites at a theme which is flawed on a fundamental level. This could all lead to a more complicated mess than we already have when a simpler solution is available to us.

 

- Ok cool, and I never know when escalating rage is coming....ever but Im garbo so

 

Would it be better to get rid of them completely or just tie charge generation into the abilities themselves. Examples:
Eradicate - [AP: 0, CD: 2] - Whenever a real champion dies this champion gains +1 Charge. When this ability is activated all charges are consumed and target champion within 5 spaces loses 2 HP per consumed charge to a maximum of 40.
Charged Heal - [AP: 0, CD: 3] - Whenever this champion recovers a Nora Globe it gains +5 charges. When this ability is activated all charges are consumed and target champion within 5 spaces is healed for 2 HP per charge consumed to a maximum of 20 HP.

 

I've been thinking a fair bit about charges, and I don't think there's one perfect way to implement it.

This is what I would like to see:

Each charged ability is a single, passive ability that includes a way to produce charges (with 1 attack = 1 charge being the standard), an optional bonus that depends on the amount of charges, and an ability that automatically activates and spends all charges when a certain threshold is met. Keep this threshold between 2 and 8 charges.
This would mean a complete overhaul of AoC specifically (the only champion that keeps an unlimited amount of charges) but also gives a chance for poorly-designed charge abilities (aspect of life, aspect of divinity come to mind) a chance to work properly.
Spells/equip/relics/support abilities that grant additional charge-gaining methods can still add depth to the system as they do now. I think it is important to keep the charge amount as low as possible to maintain equivalence between abilities, this could be maintained by keeping all charge-producers at +1 charge.

It would also let the warcharge ability become integrated into the family (+1 charge on hit, all damage taken is reduced to 2 (maybe there is some kind of enrage/tormented-type bonus as well with +2 damage per charge), discharges at 5 charges to destroy the champ) and it can now be countered in an interesting way (toss a normally positive equip that grants charges each time the champ is hit to take this champ out quicker).

e: the rationale behind this is to move charges away from the realm of "win condition" into more of a "rhythmic tactical factor". As stated in my first sentence, I don't believe there is one perfect way to implement charges, but I do believe that they are an interesting (and inevitable) factor in champ design. My biggest gripe is that the value of a charge is so incredibly elastic, which is why seasong breaks these abilities so easily (by transferring charges from champs that are balanced around low-value charges to champs that are balanced around extremely high-value charges). This is why I think the 1-8 charge rule is most important.