Player Expansion Preview/Discussion (Protectorate Champions)

Well I feel like it offers more versatility to the character which can be clutch in many cases. With provisions utility the grints now have detection as well a way to get rid of annoying summons.

Leap was just to add flavor and allow monotone to better disengage, because I don't feel like he can take a lot of damage with only 1 def and 48 health. Granted he has rock defiance but he is still no tank.

Camaderie was to add a bit more efficiency to the BG as a whole. I also wanted to keep the 12 base damage but since I added encourage I didnt know if you thought that was too OP, so I dumbed it done more. He can keep the 12 base damage if your cool with it.

However, if you think encouraged is not a viable option we could go with sunder as I suggested before or strike. This is one of the few times I get a say in a rune design so I'm doing my best to make it as versatile as possible. I'm not bashing on your design its awesome, I just feel it needed a few more options.

 

Thank you @Kampel , I will go with this suggestion! Extinguish does fit him very well to as it can be seen as Rain dance/raining (weather) in pokemon

@Sokolov , it is settle! Upgrade two should be: tough x, Domain: Water, Extinguish

 

Okay it seems as if I misunderstood you, okay his role will be to harass enemies and deal damage. If he is to be a damage dealer then the only thing that needs to be changed is his second upgrade line, which oddly enough is full of downgrades. I think he should have Nora induction at base as his handicap.

The second line should then offer this:

U2: encourage, sunder, or violent.

A fourth option would be strike if you wanted to switch out one of his second upgrade abilities.

 

@Sokolov doesn't tortun shell comes with amphibious? Reading the original post you have both on the hydrant.

 

That's brilliant but how much more nora would he cost if I did this, he is still staying true to the idea of harassing and damage dealing:

Grintmaw Monotone (IS) (originally Grintmaw Soundaspect)

Creator: @@Wolvon
Race: Troll
Class: Bard
Size: Small

DMG: 12
SPD: 6
RNG: 1-4
DEF: 1
HP: 47

Cost: ~65

Attack: Sonic
Rock Defiance
Nora induction

U1: Distracting Blows (Default), Sunder, strike

U2: violent, encourage, shatter

 

Its PERFECT I'm loving it Sokolov. Let's go with it.

 

- Hi @Sokolov what do you think about Sarng. Vanguard getting lead the charge? I didn't know that ability existed. Short of being race specific it seems perfect for the role of this champ. Aggro shock trooper that goes in first and brings some behind him.

Maybe a tweak like this?

Sarghavian Vanguard (IS)

Creator: @@Thbigchief
Race: Barbarian
Class: Warrior
Size: Small

DMG: 11
SPD: 6
RNG: 1-1
DEF: 1
HP: 47

Cost: ~66

Attack: Physical
Vulnerable
Initiator
Throw Axe

U1: Quest: Runner (Default), Cull, Conqueror
U2: Empowered: Speed (Default), Pounce, Lead the charge (since leap 3 is similar to pounce but less aggressive and this champ feels like it should be aggro)

 

- Yeah I'd be fine with default or even base tbh for lead the charge. Command: charge unfortunately requires moons aligning to feel like its worth and typically only on support champs in the rear with the gear not the front liner.

 

I just think over all that the player made champs when thought of were based on current META and the way abilities worked during that time. There have been some significant changes and so some of the thought up ideas on how they would help no longer apply. Right now I can not think of any way on how the ST champs provide story, flavor interest or help a FF ST BG. I see it helping out split BGs. Example Amarork Frostborn (ST) elemental storm, WHy it is a beast champ? As an elemental or a Jakei would make more sense. I get shaman class but that pegs him into a narrow bg set. If he was created prior to the Azaren Nerf he would be a good beast bg addition. Post nerf not so much. The owl champ could have his whole U1 changed after all of adaptive champs ST has now and the ability to give arctic to champs. PLus the owl has only one frostfall characteristic which is Snow Breach. Ferren Flame Culler well as much I would like to see fire in ST I would say no fire for ST champs. I all ready see the abuse with a ST/UD split. The Garu Ice mage is the most ST themed champ out of the whole bunch...Do you really want to bridge the gap for a Magic and Ice amp KF/ST wizard BG? It is little things but it is the little things that attract new players by having some continuity. Maybe just change their names over all as an easy fix...or modify due to post changes of creating the champs in the first place

 

Well I am glad that it is not being reacted to very quickly...I hope everyone else will understand and respects the process

 

Hmm. Yeah, Serpentine Mass's original layout in the first post looks a bit too powerful for its cost.

My first thought when seeing it was "huh, this looks like a better version of the Snaptooth Crawmangler".
Granted, the most the Crawmangler can cost currently is 82, and the Serpentine Mass can cost more, but still.

I agree with other people that Arrow Eater is too powerful for it. I think Elusive is also too powerful for it. Evasive 3 would make more sense (It's kinda hard to miss it, but ranged damage won't do as much to it).

Also, that's a LOT of damage potential. It starts at 14, has 7 (6+1) speed, and its first upgrade line just makes it eat things. I think the damage might be appropriate, considering the "epic-ness" of the art, but I'd definitely up the cost.

Without any changes to it other than cost, I would think it should be close to 84+ nora.

 

Damn now that you mention it, i see why its the way it is. Rune making is tough.lol.

 

Probably to late now but can you change chill on Firk hypotherm to something else like frozen.

In fs/st psychic you'd run chill shard anyway