Any chance we could get a preview of what Forest Lerper Form does? Besides turning him into a Forest Lerper, does it add damage or give any abilities (like Blitz or Pounce)?
I dont believe buffing no khan do is a good idea, for example on 7 spd unit you attack once and than you have 2 defenses against whatever your opponent has with counterstrike, I would much rather fac3e the current no khan do, at least i need only 2 champs to go against one on khan do champ, not 3
I'm curious. If a no kan do unit goes and just stands in a font without attacking or anything. How the heckers do you ever kill him without someone specialised to do so?
I also have to admit that all attacks missing on no kan do is pretty nasty. Not just basic attacks. Other than precision, what counters can you bring? And I'm on about things that all factions have to stop them sitting in font zones and laughing at you Because if they're attacking. It sounds balanced. But not so much is they are simply contesting.
This is pretty dang awesome, but does counterstrike really need 3 ranks? Couldn't we consolidate it to one, and give him arrow throw and riposte in the other two upgrade option slots for less nora to make for a specialization/efficiency pick?
Seems like No Khan Do is way OP unless it's limited to once per turn. Requiring minimum 16 offensive AP(assuming u have 3 champs) and getting counterattacked 3 times to overcome 6ap in a contesting situation on defense is WAY unbalanced, especially with all the spell support ST brings. Might not be too bad for me since I play KF and they (hopefully) still have a lot of precision. Most of the stunning abilities in the game require you to land a hit first, so the stun clause is almost irrelevant. Oh I see what u did there, you just invented a new 3x attack ability, which happens to sorta get through NKD, if u can survive the 45 counterstrike damage. I am excited to see how the dusk druid works out. Kinda sux not to see Ping/shadowspawn anymore. Maybe if cloak has a bigger range and longer duration it could be a usefull ability, but cloak in its current form is a terrible ability. It looks like he has no offensive capability without first spending AP which is kinda sad on a slow champ. At the very least, he comes in cheaper now at a max of 66 nora, with slightly better detection. If lerper form grants a speed and damage bonus there is potential. First impression is that his role appears unclear now, as opposed to the very specific role he played before. DHM looks decent. but never used draksar so my opinion is not well informed.
you know what i was confused wing and forest leper lol still forest leper is ok depending on what remains on leper
This was my point, and I expected senshu to answer this way too to make my point about the unneeded ranks, but he got me.
I certainly think NKD needs some extra counterplay. If you don't have some very specific abilities, that's that really. I mean, if that thing is sat on your font with 12AP and isn't moving. it essentially has 6 stacks of block and dodge with arrowthrow and riposte. It's a bit nutty. I notice that she has Ripples though... so please tell me this is an activated ability now, with a 3-4 turn cooldown. But I am guessing not, or you'd just ignore her for one turn. I think it might need a certain amount of times it can occur per turn. I might even think it was ok on defense in the long run without her counterattacking every missed strike. She could wreck an army without getting hurt and if you don't have the right abilities, you lose, simple as. You need something you can DO to stop it. With things like Bold, you make it so they can't move much. She gets all her defense from simply not acting, how do we stop her doing nothing?
I agree with your points, and I think that it should be balanced when you take into account that they are expensive champions not moving/attacking, but I think that the main problem here is that the grandmaster has 50! base HP, why? she's an elf, she should be near 40 hp, because if elves are at 50 base hp tortuns should be at 65 hp or so, to keep consistency, and look at the draksars, with 44 hp. 40 base hp makes more sense from a lore perspective and from a design perspective, and introduces the additional counter of non-targeted damage
If not moving or attacking was a bad thing I'd be fine with it. But imagine if she just gets deployed and sits in the enemy font zone. How do you ever get that font back? if she has 10AP, that's 5 attacks you have to put on her per turn, each with a counterattack. And all that before you can start hurting her In most cases it would just be a case of, if she gets in your font zone, that font is gone. And yeah, 50 base hp in ST.. so she will have 65hp total to get through. I would be interested to hear what the members of DOG assumed her counter would be in a font contesting situation.
She is speed 6, so including ready for Arctic if it isn't removed, she will gain 7 AP a turn. That's 3 attacks that you need to use to clear her defense, then you're doing damage. That is assuming that you don't use a precision champ, stun/paralyze spell or ability, AP draining, or relocation. Those that are posting claiming she will have 10+ AP, that is only one turn, unless you leave her alone or she is given AP by an ability/spell.
i was thing of the hp part too with all the dmg nerfs ST will have a super advantage with the ff bonus (UD FF bonus might be still op depending on whether they nerf the base which im sure they will to all champions upto 9-10 dmg) they should consider that counterattack hits on grandmaster it will cause it longer to kill grandmaster or any ST rune with 55hp base My suggestion make it counter attack only hit only first hit (on first dodge or block ) for 2 AP PER TURN i think that will solve most of the problem
Lol, and so the whine fest begins. I have my complaints also, so I might as well share them: 1) NohKan Grandmaster is a terrible, terrible name, at least on my opinion; 2) As pointed out, ranks on Counterstrike are absolutely unneeded, no idea why people would think that +1, +2 or +3 DMG acctually make a difference; 3) I'm uncertain how new NKD will play out, I'm guessing most of the time you won't be really activating as much as Pyro want to make it look like, after all you will be forced not to attack the turn prior to it, and things that remove AP really hurt the units. I will hold my judgement on it for now, though; 4) Draksar High Marshal is still OP - how the heck it costs more than the "Grandmaster" is amusing to say the least. For a good opinion: art for the new Cyclops is looking sick, per aways. The art is definetely one of the things that still holds me to the game.
Also, to the new and/or terrible players making suggestions like they know all the ins and out of Pox, I will ask this (with a pretty please on top): stop.
