Affordable healthcare is one issue. Forcing me to pay for other people's healthcare is crap. I submit, I will gladly chip in to help the statistical anomally that is people who can't provide for themselves. (I believe most people would) But giving stuff/services to people for nothing, who otherwise could make better decisions and earn it, is a horrible idea. Giving people the opportunity to provide for themselves is a much longer lasting solution.
I get the feeling @Tubesox does not know how the reply button works nor known how to quote or tag and its way too late or actually early to decipher because I get massively turned off by his strawman of
It was a thing here in the u.s. once upon a time. Health insurance didn't exist. When people needed care, they went to a doctor/hospital, and paid for it. In the 20s hospitals did provide a prepaid health care service, kinda like insurance. But these were not widely used. However things like the New Deal helped cement government involvement in social services, and just like most things that governments touch, it went to hell.
I in fact do not know how to do that. Good response though. *edit* I mean, obv I know how to reply, but the quote thing is beyond me.
We can sit down and try depicting human nature for what it is and how mere ideals become gateways for something entirely different than what they intended, but I am rather hungry and would rather avoid discussions based on assumptions. Yes. Most people in the country hardly ever got involved either due to a lack of understanding on these matters or a simple disregard for them. This general lack of vision has been part of Venezuela as a country for as long as I can remember and it has led to what it has become today. No, I don't attribute everything that has happened to our current government, and it may well be a consequence of previous happenstances. Mind you, I'm not expert but: - Independent public authorities, making sure they don't castrate individulas in regards to their political, economic and religious beliefs through laws or decrees designed to favour a certain group or people who intend to gain from it. - Not getting their hands on private property whilst guaranteeing protection towards private ownership, as well as making ammends with these who have been affected by them. - Getting rid of price controls which in turn gets rid of monopolies/oligopolies, making space for a free market where competition comes as a measure, among other things, to fight product scarcity which is a current reality. - Reinstablishing free currency exchange, facilitating import and national production. - Dollarization of the country, maybe? - Some laws regarding labour and employment, as some of them reduce the amount of employment opportunities. - De-centralizing the state, allowing competition between regional/local goverments infrastructure, security and whatnot. - Firking stop with the idiocy and lack of monetary discipline which has led to massive debt and continues to. Probably many other things which I could list and address several other aspects of the country, but these are the ones that came to me as a typed this. Again, I'm no economist and merely stating my opinion.
I don't know a lot about this thing but basically, based on all the information I've absorbed from nerd osmosis, it seems to be that indeed people are fleeing bumhole countries to go to specific parts of Europe(which has been happening since forever, mind you), sometimes by boat but not always and it's not necessarily to escape war. It's the same concept really, they're all trying to survive or improve their lives in some way. There's all sorts of conspiracies about the ones enabling this travel ranging from governments trying to remedy dropping birth rates to demolishing the nanny social benefits so many European countries have and some even go so far as to claim that it's just da j00z trying to genocide da white man(source is poru and stormfront). I don't buy that immigration of this scale is to flee war. I acknowledge that some of it is for that reason, but I doubt the majority is. And the only problem with this is that when you have population displacements of this magnitude, it goes against the rules of assimilation. You need small chunks of people to be slowly integrated and assimilated by the dominant society or they will just revert to doing what they did in their old country within small confines before spreading. And that's fine to an extent, we have that everywhere really. The problem is that many of these peeps are uneducated when you want to bring the best from other cultures and once reality kicks in and it's not all rainbows and sunshines over at this new place, all sorts of crazy Bane Shift can happen. That's my take on it. TLDR; impossible to assimilate amounts of non refugees are flooding Europe for better or worse.
@JellyBerry well stated. The beauty of the free market is that it is largely self correcting. Emphasizing personal responsibility, would go a long way in any country.
First, let me say that although I troll here on the forums, I do not mean to disrespect you or your country. Sorry if you read it that way (although I don't think you did). I do agree that my comment is a generalization at best, most likely a mislable and completely incorrect at worst. It was just a snarky response. I don't get too srs about the politic conversations here in the interwebs. I'm very sorry for you and you fellow countrymen who may be going through hard times.
No I'm Dutch, stop disrespecting my culture plz. equality of opportunity which you falsely seem to think is currently applied in the world. if the superrich have to pay to create these opportunities then yes, there needs to be social mobility. irrelevant and define young? they work in most of europe though. Context is everything without context you get people claiming black people are more likely to be criminals because they are black and Bane Shift like that. I get that it is fun but you should NOT take things out of context to try and LIE to people I also do not appreciate the tone of your text in the second half. are you one of those taxation is theft nuts? in soceity we cooperate because a single person cannot do every skill required to maintain infrastructure. there is specialisation. resource sharing is a net benefit to the group as a whole. the more cooperation the less time any one individual has to devote to the basics of survival leaving greater room to pursue art and culture. also sharing is caring agriculture, schools, transportation, pretty much all of them are better with a wee bit of oversight. well that explains a lot. No I'm Dutch, stop disrespecting my culture, furthermore you mistake me, my response was meant to be sarcastic and I only wanted to explain why it had to be sarcastic. if you think that was arrogance I can say the same about you. you write like a guy wearing a dress shirt and tie who thinks he is better than anyone else. use {quote} and {/quote} for quoting except use [ ] and @+name for tagging.
we should get this back on topic and me and @Tubesox are regretfull for going off the rail into economic-social policies. this came up on youtube for me: and this short breakdown of UK population ( mostly focussing on UK/EU/non EU citizens/ born) I think is important for context https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-citizens-living-uk/ especially the first image with the percentages for Uk population divided by british, EU, non EU. are there any statements we can debate over? I think we actually agree on quite a few points but we all get so entrenched in partisan wording that it seems like we all disagree. in passing what are your oppinions on the situation develloping in Morocco?
Without reading the thread I already know that 90% of it is probably liberals convincing each other that their socialist policies aren't to blame for the immigration cluster Firk their countries are going through. Amiright?
Ragic is just trying to troll because he is entrenched in his own countries partisan politics, there are real problems concerning migration but the answer is not "murder the foreigners" did any of you look at the things I linked and have any opinions on that?
The solution isn't "let the foreigners kill you" either Gressen has no country. He's a citizen of the world. But don't expect him to move east anytime soon.
Did try to stay awake while watching that bbc movie, it was horrible boring though, and so annoying when people mix migrants, refugees and asylumrights. the compairing between UK taking belgium refugees in ww2 compaired to EU accepting migrants from MENA is just annoying. and no not all humans have equal value or rights, tough luck, thats the world we live in. imo UK (and Japan even if they are more extreme) is doing the right thing, close the borders for migrants, help build up camps for refugees in the near warzones, the chance of refugees getting help increases if more countries did this. and after the wars the chance of them getting back into their countries are hopefully higher and they can get a normal/good life if its closer home. Better to help 100 people in those camps/zones then help 1 here for the same cost, or even 10 people there for lower costs.
