So this seven muslim countries travel ban

it probably does.

 

yeah badg, i've had that same feeling- i live right outside DC, and am not particularly fearful of random acts of terror either in my vicinity or when i go to crowded places in DC (which recently, by the way, i think there have been many more of. the women's march, for one, seems like it would've been a definite bomb target)


not really sure what the disconnect there is

 

You want to tell me that a normal kid will decide to become a Jihadist over "policies like this"? Yeah, anything is possible. Home-grown terrorists, as they say, are a completely separate issue, even though the result or intended result is the same, the method of their "arrival" is different (internet solicitation). What creates the home-grown version is not policies. Saying that policies would the the tipping point for someone to go out and seek to become a home-grown terrorist is quite a stretch. I could be a lknob and ask you to show me some statistics on something for which I know there are none, but nah. I don't see that as credible.

 

I don't fear it happening on my street, to me, but I do fear it happening, because it has happened. The safety you feel has been bestowed apon you by the efforts of those people keeping you safe. When I was in the USMC, I countered those efforts. I've seen what gets stopped and put in a file - not released to CNN. You are definitely not safe by serendipity, it's because people have made a safe place for you to live.

 

I'm not arguing with that at all. From what I know there have been a very small number of foreign-based acts of terror in the US since 9/11, I assume because of how much our intelligence community has ramped up. Again, I live near and am frequently around some fairly high profile targets, and I'm glad for the safety that's provided

I'm not afraid because, while terrible things have happened, may happen, and no doubt will happen, I believe America's strength and its security keep many, most, indeed close to all of those things from happening to me, or to people I know.



Also, the argument I've heard made isn't so much that children hear about these policies and decide to become terrorists, it's that policies like these can strip away a number of other options for them, which in turn increases the likelihood of them becoming terrorists

 

mhmm from the figures i saw this law has lead to 100 thousand visa's to be revoked from legal americans, if it's true, then you just gave 100 thousand plus people reasons to listen to isis....not the people deported so much as their friends co-workers, people who don't trust trump, and more who were just unjustly attacked by trump, people who were just trying to make a living here.

 

It really annoys me how people call this a Muslim ban, when the majority of Muslim countries are not banned, and the 6 countries with the highest Muslim population are not banned.

 

Your visa was revoked, and so you join ISIS? Good Firking riddance.

 

i feel you dude, i just debated that fact in this thread for pages. go read it and see how much some dont like facts.

muslim ban sounds so much scarier so that sticks in their mind.

 

If they are revoked they wouldn't be here for it to matter it's the sons that have their fathers sent away and what not that will grab a gun and shoot up a wall mart

The easily manipulated young men that are easy picking for isis

Hell the latest terrorist attack in Canada was done by a trump supporters so it really isn't even exclusive to Muslims anyone who feels threatened can be a terrorists and everything trump does leads to fear

 

I don't even have a problem with him banning immigration from muslim countries (though he could have done it in a fairer way), not that it's really my business but he won the election on a platform of 'ban all muslims' -- whether you agree with it or not you should respect the mandate he earned from the US people. If that's found to be illegal or whatever, fine, he works around it by not calling it a muslim ban.

Just seems that some people, in their devotion to their orange god, are taking it at face value.

 

it is getting hard not to... no..
*don't draw parallels to Germany, don't draw parallels to Germany, don't draw parallels to Germany, don't draw parallels to Germany.*

 

You don't build policy on what some guys son might think in 20 years. This is getting kinda dumb.

 

Not sure why you should think 20 years it took 1 week for the first attack from a trump supporters to occur why would it take 20 years for a radical to do one

Family members of American born muslims can end up deported even if they are of 16+ and that's just one scenario where this risks instigating an attack

That said trump did say he'd aim for families to so his plan might be to send off every single muslim in America that's related to another muslim

 

BINGO! It would be nice if the mass media would actually describe it properly.

 

FFS, stop reading any media (mass, mainstream, alt, altright, conspiracy website) and think about it for your yourself.

I'd like to say more but I feel like it would be kicking puppies at this point.

 

You are off on some really long tangential tangent of tangentry. P sure my opinions are stated. I've noted yours and have given you a Firking giant thumbs up.

 

No really gives a Bane Shift about the semantics except the internet dudes. It's a Muslim ban. That's what it is. Let's move on.

 

Usually.