So this seven muslim countries travel ban

Interesting read, thanks for the link

 

yea i should have used hydrogen,i was seperating that from atomic...but yea i think both are techically nukes

 

much news from there, all of it depressing.

 

Kind of confused me when it was Obama essentially demonizing Russia (not that it's hard to do) while extending the metaphorical olive branch to Iran and stuff, even before the whole accusation of hacking thing. I'm half wondering if Trump is just trying to do the opposite of what Obama's done rather than following an actual guiding principle. Most likely though it depends a bit on how friendly the nations have been to him personally, how willing to renegotiate where he wants to as well.

I do think SOME of the "worsening relations" with not-Russia is in part due to media reactions, and some in part due to several politicians condemning Trump personally. The UN for example had, for the first time, declared a preference in the US election, and the EUC had made clear what it wanted as well. None of those are likely to make Trump inclined to work with them (even if he should, because diplomacy, and besides, if anything they gave themselves a weaker position in a way).

Of course a lot of that tracks back to his stated immigration goals. Foreign nations of course want easy(easier?) access through other nations' boarders, even if they don't always reciprocate. It facilitates trade among other things. Specific to refugees (or any other mass migration though to a potentially lesser extent), it eases their own nation's burdens by having another place to split them into.*

With the US making travel and especially refugees harder to come in, it hurts nations not even related to the ones that specifically got banned.

But I digress.

TL;DR: "Give peace a chance... FFS."


*(And yes there are burdens, even if many are temporary.)

 

Sure, sorta-kinda. But the US (and most of NATO) has been doing that sort of thing in multiple countries, and with less "sorta-kinda" distinction in some cases. Granted, not our neighbors, but none the less... I'm not seeing that as too large of a barrier here, odd as it may seem. I suppose I also look at Turkey, which seemed to have much higher tension with Russia until recently, being willing to work with them and... *shrug* I suppose that's a much more recent development and other stuff happened since but...


Anyway, back on topic... as I've had a little more time to look into this topic (but not the thread, so apologies if this is redundant), it seems that the seven nations on the ban are comprised of a list compiled under Obama's administration as nations of concern (not sure the full details of what that means or why those seven specifically; what, if any, nations were left off or added).

It also seems that there were a couple of other Federal judges that had ruled in Trump's favor concerning the bans (and seriously, arguing over whether or not to call it a ban, in spite of Trump and others having previously called it such, is pointless, even if it wasn't one, for the sake of convenience people should just go with it at this point), but the 9th Circuit decided to uphold the one that stops the EO. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing; it certainly makes it look ideologically based more than ruling based on legality, which could harm the push to remove/prevent another ban in the long run.

I'm certainly interested to see how things turn out.

 

But you've been posting comedy in this thread from the start

 

Simpleton

 

I mean sure


You can argue that the actual policy and the implication are techinically two different things, however in this case the policy and implication are so similar (again, especially taking his compaign promise into account), it's hardly a misleading a very title.

You've got a point, but I dont feel like I was intentionally misleading people.


Edit: editted title for more clarity

 

More insults, nothing worthwhile. Your a typical liberal man, complains, hurls insults, but never produces any results, we will see who was right in about 2 or 3 years =).

 

lmao what are you even on about

all you do is throw around a lot of statements, no facts whatsoever and claim the world is doomed because of muslims

me and others have produced multiple evidence that suggests the contrary, you have nothing. you're a typical average intelligence idiot who thinks he's smarter than everyone else because "i know things they don't tell you in the mainstream media hur dur". You're the same idiot you were in Pox when you were at rank 800 with 801 people playing. A big ego but nothing to back it up with

Right now, there's all the evidence in this thread suggesting this travel ban is hugely misdirected as it's targetting the wrong countries, meanwhile you have produced what? 0 links, 0 evidence to bogus claims that europe is gonna fall in 2-3 years based of what, gut feeling?

You're an insult to an intelligent conversation.

You're just as delusional as profhulk. Both display the same "im not partisan, im a special kind of tinfoil hat instead" traits. Both can't produce evidence to back up your idiotic and outrageous claims. Both convinced some guys in a smoke lit room are pulling the strings and only you know what is REALLY going on.

Newflash, the train to fairy tale world left long ago

 

Ehh i've produced pages upon pages of evidence multiple times lol, you didn't read any of it and any headway that logical people make on these forums is removed, or the thread is closed. We were asked to stop posting links as it was not listed as " credible evidence". Your an angry little man and that's about it, your as liberal as it gets as are these forums. You hurl insults and like each others posts, it's cute and all but it gets old.

I've shut you down in multiple threads, with facts, links, and the like and you have disappeared every single time. You can only have an intelligent conversation if people are willing to have an open mind, and how you see this travel ban as misdirected is beyond me, I agreed with you that the ban should have been placed on multiple other countries but it wasn't. You talk tough on the internet, but your a kid and sometimes I forget that. I don't know what made you so angry but you might wanna channel that into something productive.

Bottom line, most Muslims would love nothing more than Sharia law worldwide and it's already happening in Europe. As I said before we will see who is right in a couple years, and when all of Europe is experiencing Sharia law I will take you back to this thread and my point will be proven.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-absolute-compatible-German-legislation.html

That is just a start, once they claim more powerful positions it will be twice as bad.


https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/europe-attacks.aspx







What you don't seem to understand is these people blame Europe, and America for all their problems. They aren't coming here to assimilate, their culture does not blend with ours, they will impose Sharia law eventually and it will be everyday Europeans that suffer as they already are. My suggestion to you, go outside and see what's going on visit places like Germany, France, I have and their is no way in hell I'd visit again anytime soon.

Practicing Christianity in the Middle East can get you stoned to death, beheaded, hung, last I checked other religions don't do any of that to Muslims, we build them mosques and give them prayer time during work, and take down our religion from schools and the like.

I'm curious also if any of you have been to the middle east ever, I have and it's nothing like America or Europe.



Listen to about the last minute or two.



People wanna protest and march and all that, but my question is why aren't they protesting for women's rights in the Middle East, how about gays ?You all say were racist because we don't support Islam and taking in refugees that could be dangerous. Well then your all racist for taking in a culture that murders, rapes gays.

Do you not see how this all is such a double standard pile of garbage yet ? I think i'll take gays and women's rights over a culture that kills both for just existing.

You might also wanna check out how many mosques are being built in Europe in the near future, and being funded by Saudi Arabia which as you and I agreed is one of the terrorist hot spots.

 

lol @ super swallowing anti muslim propaganda whole and calling it proof.

we live in europe, the above is like us saying you live through school shootings multiple times a day. yes there are cases but less than we both make it out to be. I already said I think the extremists should be thrown out on their ass, but I am not going to compromise our constitutions or human rights and go full on Apartheid on a bunch of innocents.

 

Again you said nothing worthwhile, you hurled a few insults and that's it and your fanboys showed up. It just gets old, so many of you just are to young to have adult conversations.

We will see I suppose, more Muslims are coming in the next few years. The mosques will spread all across Europe, and when it comes time for you to need help, europes strongest ally will not be willing to handle your enemies for you anymore.

Saudi Arabia is already looking to build a couple hundred more mosques in Germany for starters , and from their they will train more extremists and we will see more terror attacks in Europe.

Enjoy, I'll check back next year around this time and see how everything's going.

I think Europe needs to start understanding that it's the United States that has kept you safe for so long, no super power has ever said they are afraid of Europe. If it weren't for the United States you'd all be speaking German right now, and wondering how you lost to one little country in Germany. What do you think China or Russia would do to you if Europe wasn't a United States ally ?

 

I hurled no insults. I merely laughed at something you did and you took it as an insult,
furthermore; someone liking my post is hardly fanboys.
Yet you insult me and try to discredit my views while you keep shouting "the end is nigh!"

you have a very weird perception of this world. it is interesting... I wish to understand it,
however:

Pot, meet kettle.

there*
English is not a difficult language. that is why we all learned it as a second or third.

 

So US citizens are all terrorists. and they are allowed to own guns!

 

America has 2-3 years left before these gun owners rise up and implement sharia law

I mean, America has already fallen