The community should have the power to remove players from the Council

Griffin rider still has Bastion of Mobility, FYI.

Had it prerevamp also (granted, Post-Revamp he can't have Tailwind + Bastion, but I don't think that was a conscious decision):



As did the Magnetic Rover (and also still has it):



So when you say "IS didn't have access" and "It was removed," I am not really sure what you are talking about.

The relic got it a LOOOONG time later.

Anyway, lots of stuff gets evaluated and lots of things happen with each patch. I am 100% sure that nobody can come up with a list of stuff that won't have something you disagree with or didn't like unless it was like.. 2 or 3 changes

So it's perfectly fine to give me feedback and such, I am not arguing against that. Just don't assume that everything is always going to be exactly what you think is right or that no mistakes will be made and act like it's such an insane situation. It's not.

 

They are. We just disagree on what constitutes as "most out of line." And I also think that since you came back recently and wasn't paying attention, you may not have a good idea of what "most out of line things" have already been nerfed.

At any point in a game, you can jump in and point to whatever seems most OP and say "this should be fixed, fast." But as someone who has been here all along, what's left to fix is, to my mind, already not "most out of line" because those things have ALREADY been addressed.

Perspective differs here, that's all.

 

It really depends on what it is. Some things obviously stand out as needing to be addressed more quickly, but in many cases people nerf-call stuff immediately after seeing it in one or two games, or if there's ONE guy in the ranked queue playing something halfway successfully. But that feedback is still important, because when no one says anything, it's harder for me to know what people consider to be a problem.

 

Relatively quickly done (though still an effort) so I am sure there's stuff missing/incorrect. And given the "spot" restriction, some things are ambiguous (e.g. is Dreambox "spot anti-relic?"), and other things that might count can't be counted (e.g. Withering Fern). Of course, playability of said options is also a concern (some availability are also theme specific), but overall I think this gives a pretty good picture that most factions have access to a lot of "spot things."

Some things on there weren't strictly counters, but there were a bunch of stuff like that on your list so I kept/included that category of things as well.

Most of the stuff on these lists have been the case for awhile too, I'd say, and aren't really new developments.

 

Grim Well I put under CC/Movement, but it could also count as SPD debuff too in terms of actual gameplay since you are forced to go around it basically, or it becomes hard CC.

 

So I wasn't sure if we should count Counterspells, as they aren't "spot" counters in that sense. On the other hand, there's stuff like Lifeshield and DMZ, which seemed specific enough to be counted. As I said, it's somewhat ambiguous.

Also, he specified non-champion runes, or we'd have a lot more things here.

Might of Ironfist is an odd one, but technically counts, but that also means we need to add that to UD too and possibly others.

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