I still don't understand which law(s) Geert Wilders has broken. Should it also be a "hate crime" to advocate for more immigrants? Here is a link to an article by Breitbart that extensively quotes Wilders: https://www.google.com/amp/www.brei...t-during-hate-speech-trial/amp/?client=safari "And when someone is taken to court, such as the Moroccan rapper who said that he, and I quote, 'hates these f**king Jews even more than the Nazis', end of quote, then he is acquitted, because then suddenly his words are covered by freedom of speech. These double standards and this hypocrisy by both politicians and the Public Prosecutor turn this trial into a political trial. The leader of the largest opposition party, who proves too strong to defeat in Parliament, must be neutralized. That is a disgrace and I hope you will not allow yourselves to be taken advantage of. Because the problems of which I speak will not go away by keeping silent about them." An interesting collection of paragraphs by Politico: https://www.google.com/amp/www.poli...ds-far-right-freedom-party/amp/?client=safari If accurate, these here projections indicate Wilders has a brightening political future: https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/1...o-become-the-netherlands-next-prime-minister/ Finishing up with a little number by the NYT: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/world/europe/geert-wilders-netherlands-hate-trial.html
UK appears to be MUCH closer to 1984 than 2017. Troubling that almost no resistance. I remain optimistic that humanity can turn the tide against such abusive gvt, including theocracy.
yes there is no doubt that the PVV is going to get a lot of votes, also new political party just formed splintering out from PvdA. but again he cannot get a 75+ seat majority with just his 33 seats. so it depends on the willingness of the VVD and CDA to work with him. Why are we suddenly trusting polls again? Also that you do not see the problem with someone saying he will ''make it so there are less of *minority*" is shocking. but not suprising seeing as some of your news sources are far right. also funny how geert said the Netherlands is turning into a dictatorship when that is pretty much how his party is run I must say the NY times article seems to be very good in how it reports it, presenting the opinions of all parties. Geert Wilders broke laws against hate mongering and racism. his defense claimed politicians shouls be allowed to say MORE than the average person. the court decided hat politicians are NOT above the law. the trial was on behalf of 56 persons and 10 organizations who felt negatively treated/ treated as a lesser person, as a result of what he said. if there were more they were too late in applying, example: a businessman of Morrocan descent who in a company email was described as 'fewer, fewer' 10 of the people wanted financial compensation for dammages received (500 each) the rest wanted a public apology for harm caused. so only those 10 seeking compensation for any financial, emotional or psychological harm caused by Wilders got what they wanted, he rest did not get what they wanted being deemed as only being offended/ Also why the random addition of something about the UK?
that politico piece is fascinating, good to know the person behind Wilders: A: wants us to keep blackface zwarte piet B: likes the same flag Dutch nazis liked C:Believes in reverse racism D: believes in the cultural marxism conspiracy E: has a poster of the NY WTC in his office F: is pleasant, as long as you do not mention black people or foreigners I hope half of those are not true.
his name is spoken at about 5/6 second in EDIT: found a version with very rudimentary subtitles Humberto Tan is a talkshow host. and in the program of wilders party of course part of the "Multicultural nightmare" in the entire clip he says the writing in the party program should be clearer rather than make nuances in person, further he mentions Wilders is not a rude man to talk to but he disagrees with The PPV plans including etnic registration and says the attitude Wilders has to minorities is condescending. I would like to expand and translate the rest of the clip but it's a lot. etnic registration doesn't seem to be in the current program.
1) Trusting polls again? I literally said "If accurate, these here projections..." Polls for HRC were CONSTANTLY weighted as if she had the same support levels that Obama received in 2008. The reality was that she had lower support levels than Obama garnered in 2012. I pointed this out to friends, family and coworkers in the few months just prior to election day. And I gave them links to the articles and vids--if they so desired--that explained it all in great precision, and often with a nice dash of humor. I don't "trust" polls, but I do peruse them as they often contain value. 2) Last time I checked, the citizens of a country decide which and how many immigrants they will allow into their homeland. Have you ever wondered why Wilders specifically mentions "Moroccans", instead of Tibetans or Nigerians or Latinos or Egyptians or Amish or Greeks or Indians or Jews? Saying shocking and/or rude and/or crude and/or yucky things is the entire point of free speech. I don't want anyone on the extreme left--like socialists and communists--to be bullied into silence either. 3) Many political parties are run like dictatorships, but that does NOT mean that those same politicians are tyrants of we the people. 4) "Hate mongering and racism" you say? Some humans say a few laws were broken. Others say free speech is being murdered. I heart free speech. 5) Everyone should be able to say a LOT more than is allowed by Dutch laws that I believe harm the greater good (i.e., they are immoral). 6) UK addition was meant to highlight how political correctness (AKA super bullying) is being used to silence free speech in the Western world.
2:I never wondered that and since you never asked me why he specified morrocans I guess neither have you. 3: how would you know what our normal is. 4,5; we've been over this for at least a 100 years, there are limitations on free speech at the point where it hurts the rights of other people. perhaps talk to me after you stop *BLEEP* bleeping every *BLEEP* ing bad *BLEEP* word on tv. 6: the UK is by its own design a special place that is rapidly following the US in its choices, of course they are worse at hiding it than the US so that is a thing I guess.
What "rights" were "hurt" by Geert Wilders public statements? Dislike and/or hate his statements all you want, but attempt to bully him is immoral. I do not have the right to enter any country of my choosing. Immigrants do not have the right to enter any country of their choosing. Fair and moral.
we are not talking about immigrants. are you walking down the street in US cities telling black people, sorry "african-americans" to go back to africa?
Not that I'm trying to defend telling black people to go back to Africa, but at least here in the States, that's totally legal to do. You'd probably be some level of ass, but you wouldn't be a criminal.
Yes I understand, you value human life and dignity less than dogma what about promising to make sure there were somehow less black people in the US?
Your sentence is a caricature of Geert's stated political goals. Citizens elect politicians/parties to push for preferences they desire. Less crime. Less taxes. etc... "African-Americans" are every bit as American as anyone else. Even if I did walk around telling them to "go home", it would be stupid NOT criminal.
and the morrocans of which Wilders speaks are every bit as Dutch as anyone else, how is this hard to grasp? you do not understand why a persons self worth and dignity is protected because you do not value the dignity of others. It is one of the biggest flaws in your soceity in my opinion. We can disagree on this that is okay, In my opinion it is much more abhorrent that a policeman is in a position where he nearly blasts the arm off of a protestor.
Moroccans that have never lived in the Netherlands, but desire to immigrate there, are every bit as Dutch as anyone else? That does not compute. Moroccans that recently moved to the Netherlands are every bit as Dutch as anyone else? Do you view each human being as resembling an empty vase? Putting all/most of your faith in the government is the opposite of promoting self-worth and the dignity of each individual. Competent adults cannot be forced to succeed. The human condition is not magically different from one country to the next. It be universal. Western civilization is mucho good, and is also in jeopardy. C'est la vie.
it seemed to me that gerb was talking about dutch people of moroccan descent. moroccan-dutchmen, if you will
@DarkJello I was honestly trying to see how long it would take you to catch on to what dagda just spoilered. to me this was very obvious, and I did say on the topic of why Morrocans: "I never wondered that and since you never asked me why he specified morrocans I guess neither have you." @Dagda wondered and came to the correct conclusion. and he did not even ask me.
Can you provide any quotes (and direct translations where required) to back that up? It's still not clear to me if he's arguing just for tighter borders and to be less accepting of incoming people from Morocco and various other places; or for sending people away that have already completed their immigration process/are within a generation or two of those that have.
If he means immigrants he can bloody well use the word immigranten instead of allochtonen. there is a lot here's some fun ones. BTW *autochtonen = Dutch people and children of Dutch descent allochtonen = immigrants and children of immigrants. http://quotes.nl/auteur/geert-wilders.html "Het rechtssysteem in Noord-Korea is nog beter dan dat in Nederland." ( The Justice system in North Korea is better than the one in the Netherlands) "Autochtonen planten zich minder snel voort dan allochtonen. Nu zitten allochtonen, overwegend moslims, voornamelijk in de grote steden. Over twintig jaar zitten ze overal, van Apeldoorn tot Emmen en van Weert tot Middelburg. We verkopen ons land aan de duivel die Mohammed heet, en niemand doet er iets aan." (autochtonen procreate less rapidly than allochtonen. allochtonen, the majority of which are muslims, are mostly in the big cities. in twenty year they will be everywhere from Apeldoorn to Emmen and from Weert to Middelburg. We are selling our country/land to the devil who'se name is Mohammed. and nobody is doing anything about it!) "De Nederlandse cultuur is duizend keer beter dan de islam." (The Dutch Culture is thousand times better than Islam) "Iedere niet-westerse allochtoon moet een assimilatiecontract tekenen. Daarin staat precies wat je wel en niet mag doen. Als je daar niet aan voldoet, moet je het land verlaten." (Every non-western allochtoon must sign an assimilationcontract. in which is written precisely what is and isn't allowed. if you do not conform you have to leave the country) "Ik ontzeg niemand een gezinsleven. Ook niet-westerse allochtonen niet. Ze mogen trouwen, ze mogen samenwonen. Alleen niet in Nederland." ( I am denyong no-one a family life. not even non-western allochtonen. they can marry. they can live together. Just not in the Netherlands. "Als wij nu niet optreden tegen de vergaande islamisering van Nederland, herleven de jaren dertig van de vorige eeuw. Alleen was het toen Hitler en nu Mohammed." ( If we don't act against the far-reaching islamisation of the Netherlands now, we will relive the 30's of the last century. Only then it was Hitler and now Mohammed.)
