Defending the weekend tourneys

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Willow, Jan 22, 2016.

  1. Netherzen

    Netherzen I need me some PIE!

    Alt accounts and abusing the system is not allowed.Or horrible player behaviour.But they dont really do anything about it and it shows a horrible lack of confidence and leadership in running this game.
    Sometimes they ban Burn which is just silly,even if he is sometimes annoying.
     
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  2. ButterFaceGirl

    ButterFaceGirl Active Member

    No it shows a great understanding and aptitude.

    People just need to stop being salty and jelly about it.
     
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  3. Netherzen

    Netherzen I need me some PIE!

    People need to allow me to abuse the system for my gain.
     
  4. Skybloom

    Skybloom I need me some PIE!

    Doubt that's the case.
     
  5. Willow

    Willow I need me some PIE!

    You're smart, you're loyal, you're grateful, i appreciate you *hands over a cookie*
     
  6. ButterFaceGirl

    ButterFaceGirl Active Member

    How is it 'abusing' the system?

    Who's the victim here?

    It's like a socialist crying about other people getting rich and asking the government to tax them so everybody will be equally poor.

    Sour grapes
     
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  7. skarpox

    skarpox The King of Potatoes

    Your logic is faulty. In society, you would be one person getting rich. Here alt accounts make you many people.
     
  8. ButterFaceGirl

    ButterFaceGirl Active Member

    How is the logic faulty in anyway? You can just extend the analogy to a corporations i.e. many people working together and getting rich. Socialists love to cry about corporations getting rich too.
     
  9. Senshu

    Senshu Administrator Octopi

    This is a very tricky subject because there are a lot of different things happening.

    There is the concern of some regarding rune value versus ability to get runes. The forge and rune rewards from matches contribute to this too but it is a lot more subtle. Ever since we got the game back from SOE our focus has been on increasing the accessibility of the game. Players can even now earn runes for the current expansion for free with the league progression system which is a big new addition.

    The main problem of players is regarding people just sitting in a Tournament match not doing anything and letting the timer just run down. This is an issue and there are limited options in regard to addressing this. First we can just stop doing tournaments, but there are players who like the structure of the tournaments which would be a disappointment to them. We could ban players who abuse the tournaments, the opens a different can of worms because it would turn into a witch hunt with a he said she said situation. Lastly, we could change how the tournament system works to reduce the ability of people to exploit it for personal gain.

    The last option is how we want to proceed, but it is not an easy thing to do. The Tournament system is not necessarily the easiest section of the game to work with because of how old the code is and how it was coded. As many of you know Pox has been owned by many companies and has been touched by many programmers. This is the reason why when Pox Nora changed ownership it took nearly a year to get the Tournaments working again in a stable enough way to where it doesn't cause the server to crash, and this is part of the reason why Draft Tournaments haven't yet been brought back. With that said, the question comes down to do we scrap the code and start over, do we just slap stuff together, or do we stabilize the code so it can take new additions without causing new problems. All of these take time and we prefer to do it the right way so Pox is viable for many years to come rather than constantly having to band-aid things. So, as we do our regular releases we continue to work on the back-end of the game to make the framework better but that is a far slower process and far less glamorous.
     
  10. profhulk

    profhulk Forum Royalty

    I just want to play legitimate games in tournaments instead of dealing with a bunch of people who just want to steal runes from the company.
     
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  11. skarpox

    skarpox The King of Potatoes

    Again your logic is flawed. Corporations are still different people, not alts of one. Plus, on a different point, the argument put by DMR is not legality. You and Willow are right. It is not illegal to farm. However you know that, when you play certain games, there are unwritten ethical rules to follow. Pox tournament farmers are being legal but not ethical. The appeal here to farmers is to stop please being unethical during tournaments. Please.
     
  12. ButterFaceGirl

    ButterFaceGirl Active Member

    You can't 'steal runes' from the company. There is not a fixed supply of runes and a rune is just a database entry. The idea of 'stealing' doesn't make any sense in this context.
     
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  13. ButterFaceGirl

    ButterFaceGirl Active Member

    Playing to win is always relevant.

    When people say "unwritten rules" what they mean is "something I think other people should do even though they have not agreed to it". It is just a poor excuse for people to impose their own idea of behaviour on other people. If there is something unethical, it is this imposition.
     
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  14. bambino

    bambino I need me some PIE!

    what if u stole pox credits? (pox cash?) there digital and no fixed supply as sok can make as much as he wants even if we dont match $$$ value,, is that ok?
    you cant take a words and expand the defintion so much that it will meet your argument. ..
    words like tournament, steal and earn have very specific meanings,, as I told u before,, grab a dictionary and look em up...
     
  15. ButterFaceGirl

    ButterFaceGirl Active Member

    How does one 'steal' pox credits?

    In the traditional definition of stealing, a person has an item, say an apple. Then another person takes the item away. Now the first person doesn't have an apple anymore.

    Any body with an access to the database server can literally give an account one quintsexillion pox cash, conjuring it from the ether, without paying a dime. Is this action 'theft'? Who was deprived of this quintsexillion pox cash?

    I will reiterate that the concept of 'stealing' does not make any sense in this context.

    As for the argument of taking a word and expanding the definition, the irony is that it is YOU who is guilty of that. You are extending the well defined meaning of stealing pertaining to taking a physical object from the possession of another person to an action that you can't really define, in an attempt to piggyback on the very well accepted immorality of theft.
     
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  16. Bellagion

    Bellagion I need me some PIE!

    Before this thread, I was much more in favor of keeping tourneys running. Now... not so much.
     
  17. bambino

    bambino I need me some PIE!

    code of conduct
    7. Each member is allowed one login account. Registering with multiple accounts is not allowed.
    terms of service...
    You may not cheat or steal or obtain or attempt to obtain any materials or information through any means not intentionally made available through any Desert Owl web site or service.

    def of tournament. .from dic....
    A trial of SKILL in some game, in which competitors play a series of contest...

    if u wanna STEAL cards then go ahead,,
    but seriously, **** already
     
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  18. bambino

    bambino I need me some PIE!

    no. its all desert owl games..u can check. I just did...
    enforced or not is not the point,, im just tired of people believing there own s##t. its incredible. ..
     
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  19. profhulk

    profhulk Forum Royalty

    It is an integrity thing which is impossible to explain to dishonest individuals who have few morals. After reading three pages it isn't hard to see that your destroying the whole point of tournaments in order to promote Obamapoxcaretourneys. Devs time to cut the poxwelfare. You can twist logic to justify this, but in the end your ruining a good thing for everyone else by promoting lazy play instead of doing whats right and setting an example so we can all have an enjoyable tournament experience. It's not about the runes its about feeling like you earned them and competed for them. When I see someone drop their wallet in a restaurant I pick it up and give it back to them. Yes I could have just waited for them to leave and called it "community property" but I had integrity. The same goes for these tourneys. Even though there is no one there to physically stop you from farming these tourneys its still morally wrong and destroys the spirit of tournaments and sets a bad example encouraging other players to do the same as you.
     
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  20. ButterFaceGirl

    ButterFaceGirl Active Member

    Sirlin's argument is relevant if you consider the metagame of obtaining runes.

    As for the argument that 'other people do it', well that's not really an argument. Saudi Arabia will cut your hands off if you steal an apple, somehow I find it hard to justify that.
     

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