Discussion: Patch Notes: August 4th, 2016

@Sokolov Shows ya how long its been since I have looked at imps. I thought it was still global. I stand corrected.

@kalasle Sorry there Pox Lord Highness, forgive my lesser intellectual capability for forgetting about a prior nerf. Good change...buffs are gud. Now get back to your rule writing and quit trolling us peons.

 

I understand your comparison to other "finishers" (that's what i'll call them). I don't think it's necesarrily tunnel vision on Manic, I think it has more to do with the synergy between Manic and UD. If Avarice were in FS I believe it would be complained about less outside of the heavy hitting themes (Salaman and Semis).

This is one of those cases where certain abilities shine in certain factions. Purging Flames in FS or ST is not nearly as useful as Purging Flames in IS or UD. Throw Avarice in IS, you'll probably still get complaints cause of IS's damage potential.

 

Yes, except this synergy would be observed if the equipment lasts in which case the drawbacks also will. It means players will have to either spend or dedicate more resources to making the equipment effective after the initial impact, so despite being in UD it doesn't look all too crazy anymore. That's why the argument regarding's it's power is mostly based on the initial outburst or it's work as a 'finisher,' therefore similar to anything which provides one rounding potential where whether it stays for further kills or not is an added bonus subject to how the match develops.

Following the logic above Lonx Bonecharm has no real drawbacks and is priced at 25 Nora. I think it could afford a cost hike?

 

Please can elemental storm stack? Like maybe have a cap stack but it would be nice if the poison/frost ones could do a bit more dmg? Or is that too strong D:

 

Phew, removed it from boghopper paladin just in time!

 

Spot permanent quicken would be a bad idea, too. All the examples you had were one-offs, granting manic is permanent. Quicken is really annoying, throws over your calculations and costs you cheesy games aswell, but at least it only lasts one turn.

So yeah, spot manic bad idea.

 

Ok, who in this day and age isn't calculating around opposing spells?

 

Typically, so does Avarice or the champion with it, unless that was the turning point of the match.

 

Does Manic still work on ranged champs? If not it could be used as a decent negative equip on ranged champs. -Damage, -Speed and manic to make them walk into danger.

 

Alright, to answer your point: -4 DMG and -1 SPD is not enough in a faction where 4 damage fall through the cracks. I'm not saying that Avarice is still horribly OP, mind you.

As for your second sentence, I don't get it; why wouldn't it matter if you can get the same very good effect again?

 

Give Avarice scornful...

I want to play Ethereal Pool and Traitorous Helm again

 

Sok, you make a valid point concerning the finishing aspect, and if Averice served only as a finisher, then it would probably be fine.
2 points however:
1) its in te form of a permanen equip, só its waaaaaaayyyy better than a spell;
2) after the first usage, it will be generating 5AP per turn, thus negating the SPD drawback.
I think a good solution could be increasing the drawback, like giving lethargic or -4DEF or something along those lines.
Could you considera giving Blizzard Cloak the hidden aspect instead of nora refund?

 

Lonx bonecharm is really strong. I am playing lonx at the minute and it's similar to avarice in a sense. However pounce/blood rage have cooldowns so it's not an effect every single turn. Avarice was allowing for one rounding, then if you contest the font something else gets smacked by the manic unit.

 

Manic is a better ability than blood rage. In UD, spot blood rage would probably have similar problems.

"Spot manic" implies an extra attack every turn if positioning is managed. "one turn spot manic" means an amount of damage based on champion attack, like quicken, but with different intricacies. They may be completely different situations, but one is clearly better than the other, and has no comparable precedent.

1. About as much as for quicken, a little less due to equipment slot instead of spell slot (which might also be an advantage, depending on a plethora of factors ...), say, 35 nora.
2. Manic costs 15 nora, getting things when you want them is far more expensive than just the ability, though, for various reasons you know. However, the effect handled here under 2. has no immediate impact, so that makes it cheaper again. Mindwipe aura is 7 nora, yet mind orb is 30 nora plus drawback, as a crude reference ... So ... 30-35 nora?
3. Ethereal Mindshank vibes say -20 nora tops. Since the equipment is in UD and 4 damage is less notable in an environment with high damage counts, rather less.

Summa summarum 45-50 nora.

 

It's "spot-[insert whatever you get]". Sacred Temple is spot cleansing aura. Spot manic is spot manic. That Cleansing Emerald is called spot cleanse really just tells how much better getting an immediate effect than getting the same effect delayed is. It is so good that people would still run Cleansing Emerald if it had no cleansing aura (in SP anyway, KF would probably go for Herbal Antidote).