Ever wondered which faction is the slowest?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Grumz, Aug 16, 2014.

  1. Grumz

    Grumz The King of Potatoes

    I extrapolated some data from the runes feed "https://www.poxnora.com/info/xmlfeed.do". For now I calculated average speed, average damage, average HP and normalized everything by the nora cost. I have to say that the values are not that far apart nor significative since all the runes are included but I ranked them nonetheless with intresting results:

    Speed, from Highest to Lowest, remember the list is nora cost - normalized.
    Shattered Peaks
    Sundered Lands
    Underdepths
    Forglar Swamp
    Ironfist Stronghold
    Savage Tundra
    Forsaken Wastes
    K'thir Forest

    Damage, from Highest to lowest
    Sundered Lands
    Forglar Swamp
    Underdepths
    Savage Tundra
    Shattered Peaks
    Ironfist Stronghold
    K'thir Forest
    Forsaken Wastes

    Hit Points, from highest to Lowest
    Shattered Peaks
    Ironfist Stronghold
    Forglar Swamp
    Savage Tundra
    Sundered Lands
    Underdepths
    Forsaken Wastes
    K'thir Forest

    Code:
    Faction                    Speed       Damage      Hit         minRng      maxRng
    Forsaken Wastes            1.01        1.00        1.00        0.90        1.30
    Underdepths                1.02        1.04        1.01        0.66        1.00
    Sundered Lands             1.03        1.07        1.02        0.77        1.17
    K'thir Forest              1.00        1.01        1.00        1.00        1.51
    Shattered Peaks            1.07        1.03        1.07        0.81        1.19
    Forglar Swamp              1.02        1.06        1.04        0.90        1.35
    Ironfist Stronghold        1.01        1.01        1.07        0.78        1.12
    Savage Tundra              1.01        1.03        1.02        0.77        1.14

    Let me know if you have any idea on how to use the data. This is the data we have for each champion to work on:
    HTML:
        <id>18</id>
                <name>Abomination</name>
                <description>A mind is a terrible thing to waste. So is a spleen, a kidney, a liver, an eye... - Xulos, Undead Sage</description>
                <maxRng>1</maxRng>
                <minRng>1</minRng>
                <defense>2</defense>
                <speed>6</speed>
                <damage>12</damage>
                <hitPoints>55</hitPoints>
                <size>1x1</size>
                <rarity>UNCOMMON</rarity>
                <classes>
                    <class>Brute</class>
                </classes>
                <races>
                    <race>Undead</race>
                    <race>Zombie</race>
                </races>
                <noraCost>66</noraCost>
                <hash>cj9Ej9Dj9CG2BG2Aj9Cj9Dj9Eeeeerzzgvqhtmnj</hash>
                <artist>James Ryman</artist>
                <factions>
                    <faction>Forsaken Wastes</faction>
                </factions>
                <runeSet>Pox Nora Release Set</runeSet>
                <forSale>true</forSale>
                <tradeable>true</tradeable>
                <allowRanked>true</allowRanked>
                <deckLimit>2</deckLimit>
     
    Last edited: Aug 16, 2014
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  2. Agirgis1

    Agirgis1 Forum Royalty

    Ive seen these statistics before, i don't remember where.. but someone had graphs and everything comparing all the factions in a lot of fields..... Maybe someone still has these graphs/stats?
     
  3. polltroy

    polltroy I need me some PIE!

    LOL it seems my feeling of racism in pox was not so wrong... So it seems when considering nora cost (normalize by cost), KF is actually lowest (or second lowest) on SPEED, DAMAGE and HP. Thats all stats exept range actually...
     
  4. Sealer0

    Sealer0 I need me some PIE!

    Yes, KF worst faction in game definitely.

    You've heard it here first, folks, elves need major buffs!
     
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  5. bagoftrick

    bagoftrick I need me some PIE!

    Do these statistics include faction bonuses and font bonuses because if not this is very misleading information.
     
  6. Baskitkase

    Baskitkase Forum Royalty

    It would be misleading if they didn't, but also including them with faculty bonus would be helpful.
     
  7. Grumz

    Grumz The King of Potatoes

    No, of course not. It is not misleading, it is meaningless. If someone think this is meaningful then it becomes misleading :D

    BTW the difference in the absolute average speed is like 0.2, it is 6.1 for UD, and 5.91 FW, 5.96 KF second lowest, just to foment the flame.
     
  8. Agirgis1

    Agirgis1 Forum Royalty

    +1 for kf.... putting kf at 6.96 , @polltroy :)
     
  9. KingJad

    KingJad I need me some PIE!

    so with all champions having plus 1 speed KF is definitely the fastest
     
  10. Pixyrus

    Pixyrus Forum Royalty

    The K'thir units have lower BASE speed because the creators factored in that we will get a +1 speed bonus. So that's why ours is the lowest, that and because be have big clunky trees.
     
  11. KingJad

    KingJad I need me some PIE!

    Kthir barely has the lowest speed when you don't factor in the faction bonus.
     
  12. Authyrtyr

    Authyrtyr The King of Potatoes

    Man you're really trying to grasp any piece of proof for this weird idea of pox racism. The problem is that the value of runes is MUCH more complex than stat ratios
     
  13. KingJad

    KingJad I need me some PIE!

    poor fw
     
  14. Grumz

    Grumz The King of Potatoes

    KF have definitely the least number of melee champs, and since ranged champions cost more all the other stats are lower in average. We should check values for melee/ranged/and 1-x champs to have a bit more of significancy. But like Authyrtyr said a champion value is much more difficult to evaluate. Also if a faction have 100 average champions while another have 90 very bad champions and 10 very good champions the second one would be much bettere since you don't usually use overcosted bad champions in your deck.
     
    Last edited: Aug 16, 2014
  15. Thbigchief

    Thbigchief I need me some PIE!

    - Also all that matters is which faction has the 30'ish "best" runes...not who has 500ish "highest avg" runes. This isnt a large scale war, its a 30 rune skirmish. Now if they did some Narnia type pox world war then we can talk about these figures more intimately.
     
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  16. calisk

    calisk I need me some PIE!

    can you do these again with faction bonuses taken into account.
     
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  17. jeeperz2

    jeeperz2 I need me some PIE!

    That range in KF tho lol
     
  18. Grumz

    Grumz The King of Potatoes

    I can take into account UD, KF, ST and SP bonuses but what for the rest of the factions?
    This is the raw data for the 3 types of champs, just averaged, not normalized.
    Code:
                    
                           SPD     DMG     NORA      HP      minR    maxR    DEF      #
    MELEE
    Forsaken Wastes        5.82    9.27    66.06    45.31    1.00    1.00    0.93    98
    Underdepths            6.11    9.46    70.21    46.75    1.00    1.00    0.99    114
    K'thir Forest          5.96    9.64    68.51    47.89    1.00    1.00    1.46    76
    Sundered Lands         6.02    10.02   69.44    47.48    1.00    1.00    1.19    95
    Shattered Peaks        6.00    8.83    64.95    46.76    1.00    1.00    1.00    102
    Forglar Swamp          5.96    9.54    66.68    46.80    1.00    1.00    1.37    79
    Ironfist Stronghold    5.90    9.34    68.26    49.50    1.00    1.00    1.52    113
    Savage Tundra          5.91    9.58    68.34    46.99    1.00    1.00    1.15    96
                                  
    RANGED
    Sundered Lands         6.00    9.62    74.96    43.49    3.00    4.91    0.62    47
    Forglar Swamp          5.98    10.25   77.92    45.49    3.32    5.08    1.17    59
    Shattered Peaks        5.91    9.48    74.28    43.15    3.13    4.93    0.46    46
    Ironfist Stronghold    5.96    9.49    76.67    44.80    3.18    4.98    0.82    49
    Savage Tundra          6.16    9.74    81.21    44.47    3.23    5.09    0.67    43
    K'thir Forest          6.03    9.68    77.45    42.86    3.36    5.21    0.73    77
    Underdepths            6.09    10.28   78.09    43.75    2.91    4.91    0.56    32
    Forsaken Wastes        5.92    9.45    79.50    43.85    3.40    5.15    0.53    60
                                  
    1-X
    Forsaken Wastes        6.25    9.38    76.04    48.38    1.00    2.33    1.00    24
    Sundered Lands         6.24    10.47   75.71    47.62    1.00    2.35    1.18    34
    Savage Tundra          6.25    10.66   76.00    50.78    1.00    2.34    1.28    32
    Ironfist Stronghold    6.23    10.03   79.43    50.77    1.00    2.23    1.70    30
    Underdepths            6.03    10.65   75.65    47.28    1.00    2.48    0.98    40
    Shattered Peaks        6.13    10.10   73.00    50.13    1.00    2.29    1.23    31
    Forglar Swamp          6.00    10.08   72.44    49.44    1.00    2.31    1.00    36
    K'thir Forest          5.76    9.00    72.72    49.48    1.00    2.40    1.60    25
     
    Last edited: Aug 16, 2014
  19. heroex7777

    heroex7777 Lord of ST

    ST not on top nerf everything buff st
     
  20. KingJad

    KingJad I need me some PIE!

    shattered peaks with the cheapest champs without including faction bonus?
     

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