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Boozha · Jan 2, 2017

SireofSuns said: ↑

Speak for yourself.

See, from my perspective, the GOP separates its facts and its emotions, and so has to bases to draw in voters from, while the left mixes the two together and draws voters in using that. They both use emotions, just differently. I think this previous election is a good example of how the opposite of your experience can also be true:
Hillary's campaign was largely fueled by hatred of Trump for his personal character (emotions). (there were other things, but as far as the liberal media seemed to be concerned, that was the one that mattered)
Trump's campaign was largely fueled by the belief that Trump would stay true to his promises and platform (factual based). (yes, I know you may think otherwise, but really, the HUGE majority of Trump voters I met were very reasonable people, they were just too afraid of backlash for supporting Trump to actually let people know without being asked)
Of course, that's all based on personal experience, from both of us.

Again, you can't discuss with someone who just calls you a moron or that you worship America. (yes, someone that wants to be a jerk isn't going to be helpful, I was just letting you know I experience the same thing)

I empathize.

It's not about whether they deserve respect: "They won't care about what you know unless they know you care about them." That's it. You don't have to actually respect them, but if you openly disrespect them, you become just as bad as them. Two wrongs don't make a right. (Two lefts don't make a right either, same with two leftists making a righty... This is too fun).

5. acknowledge that you understand why someone might hold that opinion"

I guess? I don't remember you being specific about honestly, but maybe indirectly? I struggle with this one a lot, mainly because I usually don't understand why someone would hold BLANK opinion.
I'm confused about why it doesn't matter though, can you explain further?

"try to show how changing facts does not necessarily mean changing worldviews."

I think it's worded wrongly: "Realize that changing facts doesn't always equal changing worldviews." For example, whenever I receive new information, I try to determine how and if it fits into what I already believe. If it doesn't, I try to see if "shifting around" my beliefs will allow it in. This annoyed a college friend of mine to no end, because he thought that once I accepted some fact as true, I would agree wholly with him.

You should realize that you likely won't convince anyone of anything, but you should strive to do so anyway, BECAUSE: The tiniest part of what you say may affect someone's beliefs, even if only a small bit. It will always be worth it. (You've said some things sometimes that made me change my beliefs ever so slightly).

All these rules can be summed up like so: Always give you best.
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Oh mate

Wat

You seem to be trying, but the results ... kinda make me scratch my head

Geressen · Jan 3, 2017

media is the campaign, and the media lies?

I guess you can't trust politicians.

Ohmin · Jan 4, 2017

Geressen said: ↑

media is the campaign, and the media lies?
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Not to get too off topic; but to be fair, with the amount of collusion exposed by the Wikileaks documents (which still haven't really been contested and for the most part has been affirmed) several members of the media certainly acted as an extension of the main Clinton campaign.

(But no, "the media" is not "the campaign.")

Geressen said: ↑

I guess you can't trust politicians.
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So what's new?

Geressen · Jan 4, 2017

Ohmin said: ↑

(But no, "the media" is not "the campaign.")
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( have you tried telling ragic?)

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