Seism just showcases how horribly broken banners are

Global anything is bad for the game remove shitty seism as it was essentially just a bad counter to fw, and gives banners a large aoe like 8 or something. Will make people think before they place it and it might not become so much of an auto include anymore, while still giving full faction players something decent.

The power lvl between full faction and splits is probably the biggest improvement since sok came back in my opinion. The only bgs I see that are too strong in splits are gimmicky bgs.

Oh and spirit of the mountain Firk that thing, and aspect of chaos just cause I never liked that thing.

One of my biggest problems with poxnora over the years has always been the slots taken up for counters and auto power include runes. Here's my auto include rune pole in every bg nowadays.

Banner
Shatter or anti equip
Detection
Dispel
Spot removal

Now I'm down to 25 runes, this isn't counting the couple powerful runes everybody runs in every faction (doom, whispers, gale force etc). I'd say once I start actual bg building I'm down to around 22 or 21 runes.

Just some thoughts @Sokolov

 

Statue of Xulos > Seism

 

I got to 1300 xp without running any of these things. your complaint seems invalid

 

Wow thats a lot of exp!

 

for someone who goes outside. yes

 

Going to your latrine in the middle of nowhere doesn't count as going outside, sweet cheeks. <3

 

As folks have mentioned, Seism isn't a hard counter. Unstable Powersource / Overload -- that's a hard counter. Seism is whatever.

And yeah, boo banners.

 

Well...
Expected.

 

Time Slip has always felt like a problem rune to me. Unless people were playing Tuttles, ive only ever really seen the spell used in draw win type scenarios, where people make their first deploy and then cast Time Slip pretty much right off the bat at start of the game and then proceed to haul ass across the whole map and take/contest your font, thats not fun. It is a gamble, but it usually payed off from my experiences. The last time i experienced this though was a while ago so i dont know if anything has been done since to address this kind of stuff, and im also not a great player so i probably make mistakes that compound the problem. Id be happy to see Time Slip disappear altogether but i am not a KF player and never use the rune personally.

 

Give me a banner to make friendly deployment zones shallow water and I'll be a happy man. Or if we want to continue with OP banners, make it water impeding 1 for 3 turns.

 

Time Slip: Target champion has no AP cap for 5 turns. 25 nora?

 

Yes banner is auto-include...is there a reason you think that is a bad thing?

No matter how many nerfs you do, there will always be a rune that does something 'the best' and is auto.

In any given faction, the top 5 most prevalent spells and equips and relics you would probably see 3 or so of each in most of the BGs.

Kf always runs cleansing emerald and at least 1 of the 3 ae spells. IS runs RD and hammer. UD runs FR.

 

Time Slip...for 4 turns target champion gains Impenetrable and 1 rank of combat awareness. If cast on an enemy champion, that champion is Stalled for 4 turns.

 

fr is expensive and dumb

 

An interesting observation can be made from your attempt to defend banners that actually speaks to the points made by the OP and others. You say autoinclude is not a bad thing, which I agree, but then you proceed to compare banners with spells that cost more, do less, effect less champions, are localized (rather than global) and/or are not permanent. Which basically puts you directly in agreement with others in that you are espousing the idea wherein some of these characteristics could be given to the banner. The point is, that autoinclude by itself does not make a rune broken, but its one of a few easily discernible characteristics of a rune that bring it into the light of scrutiny and discussion.

Banners proportionately have always helped cheapmeat decks being that the benefit is gained more often and is a larger percentage HP and dmg gained. It has been discussed previously to possibly exclude summons (only apply to real champions/rune dock deploys). Now that many champion creation abilities and interactions have been normalized to produce summons vs. realclones/realchamps, this might be even more impactful.

Secondly, giving it a range of 8, for example, could also make it a more strategic deploy and also keep it reasonably in the threat range of enemy champions.

I'd still deploy it, as is, at 30 nora without second thought, so I'm not sure a cost increase accomplishes anything.

 

I still dont get it,,, if the purpose of a banner is to help FF,,, why not just drop the banner and work a bonus into playing a FF,,, instead of splitting in split..? too much maybe?

 

It sounds as if you are arguing that banner is OP only for summoned champs but not other ones.

I think banners are just fine, but I think cheap free meat is massively OP.

You are comparing banners to champs that frequently cost 0 nora, are repeatable, permanent, increase your spell presence, can roadblock multiple REAL enemy champs, can be healed, and can even DROP banners. Which one was OP again?