Should all protests be banned?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Ragic, Aug 16, 2017.

  1. kalasle

    kalasle Forum Royalty

  2. Ragic

    Ragic I need me some PIE!

    which side does that quote apply to exactly? the argument is premised on the assumption that 'followers' do what their 'leaders' tell them to do and think what they tell them to think.

    the above quote 'works' for both sides. its a fallacy. if youre attacked, then hell yes defend yourself. but if you think so little of the general population that you cant sway public opinion with a superior argument then perhaps your argument isn't superior after all. either way, I have no affinity for an ideology that thinks it must 'lead the masses' by suppressing voices it disagrees with.
  3. BurnPyro

    BurnPyro Forum Royalty

    the fact that you're even asking shows your inability to understand the difference
  4. Geressen

    Geressen Forum Royalty

    I think there might be a difference between things I "disagree with" and things that are "Ethically, morally and objectively wrong"
  5. NevrGonaGivUup

    NevrGonaGivUup I need me some PIE!

    The way I see it, protests are fine and legal, regardless of what message they promote.

    On the other hand, riots are illegal and absolutely should be.

    In my opinion the unite the right protest came dangerously close to being a riot, because protesters were shouting hateful chants and many were armed. There wasn't any destruction of property, but it was still a lot of very angry people. Probably 80% riot level.

    The counter protest was more like 30% riot level, because many had sticks and batons, and most were probably there to punch a ****.

    So basically both sides were doing something wrong - they were angry and ready to fight each other. Then one guy went crazy and drove into a crowd.

    So I think the key here is to organize and regulate protests so they don't turn into riots.
  6. super71

    super71 I need me some PIE!

    Counter protests are counter productive, if you wanna make an argument then have your own march the next day, and don't come armed to the teeth at every chance you can wearing masks.

    It makes it very obvious to me who the trouble makers are, when you wear a mask to protect your identity.

    It just gets old having the same talks on these forums yet we're no closer to swaying either side than we were months or years ago. Too many biased opinions and not enough open mindedness.
  7. Geressen

    Geressen Forum Royalty

    if a protest is a demonstration of the support something has and a counter protest is a demonstration of how much people oppose it then how is it counterproductive?

    In Europe that would be the neonazis. which are wrongly labelled "left luggage" here.
    how come neonazis and their ilk don't have to hide their identity in your country? that would be a better question. I understand why the left might hide their face the way you people talk about them.
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  8. MaruXV

    MaruXV Corgi Lord of FW

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  9. Ragic

    Ragic I need me some PIE!

    what a pile of crap. we cant tolerate the speech of people we disagree with cuz.... hitler. how bout you educate your youth to be critical thinkers instead of just indoctrinating them into your way of thinking. but I can see why you like it. its up to the state to protect you from them instead of taking responsibility for yourselves.
  10. darklord48

    darklord48 Forum Royalty

    I think that's going further than tolerating their speech. I do believe that any group should be able to protest, regardless of content. The tolerance for the protest should end when it gets violent, also regardless of content.
  11. BurnPyro

    BurnPyro Forum Royalty

    the irony of every sentence ragic spouts is astounding

    talks about critical thinking while advocating absolute freedom because it's too hard for him to distinguish between **** and not ****
  12. Geressen

    Geressen Forum Royalty

    the funny thing here is that the US doesn't do this.
  13. MaruXV

    MaruXV Corgi Lord of FW

    content is important. should we tolerate a cult that says every first born must be sacrificed to cthulhu?
  14. badgerale

    badgerale Warchief of Wrath

    This is exactly the subject you wanted to discuss, and yet when people finally start talking about it then you get all defensive.
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  15. Ragic

    Ragic I need me some PIE!

    i was hoping for reason. I'm not on the defensive. I'm actively attacking how stupid that idea is.
  16. badgerale

    badgerale Warchief of Wrath

    Why do you think the idea is stupid?
  17. Ragic

    Ragic I need me some PIE!

    for the reasons ive already stated several times in this thread.

    now unless an idea is somehow criminal like child pornography or terrorist propaganda, then a group has a right to express it. is being a racist criminalized in Europe? it might very well be for all I know, but in the US, groups like the KKK aren't illegal. maybe they should be. that's a different debate. but as long as they are not, and they are not breaking the law, they have the right to speak. others have a right to speak out against them. but I don't think a face to face mob vs mob confrontation is the way to do it.
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  18. JazzMan1221

    JazzMan1221 Better-Known Member

    Why draw the line there though? Do you let legality define your moral values? What if a bunch of pedophiles got together and started a protest about how their right to sexual expression was being infringed upon by the law? I mean, we already make allowances for people like these:

    If these people aren't mentally ill, why are pedophiles?
  19. Geressen

    Geressen Forum Royalty

    they are classified as a terrorist group in South Carolina, outside of there I guess not?
    yet this is inevitable if the KKK shows up, so should any protests they are likely to march in be banned to maintain the peace?
  20. BurnPyro

    BurnPyro Forum Royalty

    People who think we are the biggest liberals they'll ever meet have no idea what the spectrum is actually like. Aside from Sok, most of us are clearly centrist

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