now that you explained the rules, I remember this as minigame in Warcraft3 UMS. it was quite funny. I always wondered what is this mafia game you guys are doing in forum. isn't there really any "platform" for this game to be played in short duration?
Mafia can be played in real life, in which case the clues are usually manner of speaking, mannerisms, facial expressions, etc. etc. Those games usually end with Mafia winning and only last a couple hours or so depending on how long you argue stuff. We could also do a super fast version of Mafia called "Mafia Lite", but no one likes that because there is little time to really think.
like I said on page1, this is in the hopes of FINDING some......the forum is far from empty afterall.
Two things: First, filling a game with new players is a great way to make it a complete waste of time. If anything you would want more vets than beginners. Second, I consider almost all of the pox mafia players to be beginners because they have proven over and over again that they don't really have a clue what they're doing. (Despite taking part in several pox mafia games) eg. to me, Emries is a total beginner.
I don't feel that Emries is a beginner in as much as he doesn't really care and just wants to have fun. It's hard to be a "really good player" if you are never serious though I do feel that having such characters can make games far more interesting.
If we go more vets than beginners, the beginners will get stomped by more experienced play. Vets know tells, they have stronger scum-dars, they have better knowledge of how to use a role, etc. etc. I'm just going on the assumption that "vets" are actually experienced Mafia players. How they act in games doesn't really represent their overall skill level (Emries and Gerb are good examples) because I'm sure if they wanted to play seriously they could.
I would suggest to simply format it as vanilla as possible, following traditional roles and rules. Then let whoever wants to play play, no limit on "vets" and "noobs". Honestly I feel that that is the best way to get everyone on the same page with how this all works.
Actually… it can actually be the opposite. Vets, who have a history of action, are sometimes a lot more predictable. Regardless, this is your mafia, you can run it however you want, though I do agree that on the extreme side of things, that having a game full of people that don't know what they are doing, generally doesn't magically give people the ability to know what they are doing.
*Gerben obtains midnight snack* *poses dramaticaly as he throws the snack above his head* *Gerben uses bite attack on midnight snack- CRITICAL HIT* *ding* level up! veterancy gained!
You say this, but I have never once seen him actually trying to play mafia. Which means he either needs to learn or stop trolling people by joining a game he clearly doesn't (as you pointed out) care about. All I recall is everytime I played on pox I had to push for an immediate emries lynch to stop the game devolving rapidly.
so this is one of the things that comes in alongside not being fixated on your own k/d/a- the town needs to talk together, if there's no communication then they have no way to beat mafia aside from pure luck. that xinde *lead* is the important thing. 3 town for a mafia is a pretty even trade in most circumstances, especially early and especially if the town deaths give you information that can let you get to the next mafia. could it have been cleaner? of course. you could run into a game where there are just 3 mafia kills straight out and the game is over, but the odds on that are exceedingly low. the other thing here is that most of the town players that got lynched/habitually accused were, in fact, playing scummy. if you're town but not playing to help the town, what's the point in keeping you? the mafia had fairly little impact on the day phases of the game because of how inactive they were as a group, which as a side note i really didn't like.
that's fine. you need to realize that doesn't make him wrong. if you act like scum, you're effectively scum. put another way, if you're not working in town's best interests, then town as a group can gain more from you dying than from you living. if you happen to be town, and to win if town wins, then rejoice that your passing might aid in their victory. this is not a single player game (rather, it's an exceedingly difficult single player game if you try to make it one)
Dag is right. You need to learn to play content, motive, logic and other such things in posts rather than powers. Only a few people in that game were acting remotely 'pro town'. The good mafia players (ie, on mafia side) can appear to actively scumhunt (ie what xinde was doing) but mislead the town subtly. Mafia is a fun game you guys should try it sometime, HEH Here are some common scum tells for you: - WIFOM (discussed in last thread) - lurking - active lurking (posting a lot but nothing of value) - evasive answers when probed - bandwagoning - voting without giving a reason - trying to find out about player powers Also some people like to play 'meta' mafia - using past game behaviour as an example of justifying a case on someone. I personally dislike this, i'm not sure if it counts as scummy or not but it's bad practice anyway. (Not against the rules, i just think it's not very helpful to the town) Drastic action (like desperation claims, mass claim requests, etc) should normally only happen under a few specific situations such as LYLO
I'd like to believe that my excellent maf play as shadowmaster in commi's game got me killed night 1 in Loyutes' game. =)
