Markoth's Desk (August 18th patch list and next patch discussion)

Bugs:

• Complex machine (Fixed)
• Boost overlap - http://forums.poxnora.com/index.php?threads/boost-overlap.5722/
• Ride Down - (Unconfirmed) Can still pass through impassable terrain? (Shouldnt be able to pass through units either IMO)
• Rallying Cries 3 seems to still be costed at 2 nora despite ranks 1 and 2 being costed much higher. - http://forums.poxnora.com/index.php?threads/rallying-cries-dwarf-sergeant.5817/
• Grant: Mobility - Currently costs 7 Nora to use the ability. Seems to be coded as Train: Mobility

Stuff that got "patched" but didn't make it to live:

• Charger Knight did not receive Race: Barbarian
• Isran (Inquisitor LE) is not a Barbarian
• Elite Skirmisher did not receive Race : Beast
• Tundra Barbarian did not receive Shatter 1-2 patches ago. (Tarth)
• Paladin Commander did not receive revamp (Fixed)
• (Speculation) Northern Cross Priestess does not seem to have received the efficiency buff.
• Tales of Valor didn't get updated. (Still needs a visible effect text.)
• Archangel of Al'Mara - Was she supposed to be reduced to 6 speed? It was not included in the patch notes, and if so did she get a cost reduction because she seems the same cost.

Buffs:

• Battle Leader (Too expensive at 15) compare to Commander:X, Boost, Battlemaster, Warcry Etc. (Tarth)
• Brewmaster needs a class. Brute makes sense but may be too strong.

Nerfs:

• Trail: Hallowed Ground is only 5 Nora. Compare to Regeneration, etc. Increase to 10ish

Lateral/Small Chages:

• Northern Cross Cardinal - Lose Race: Human. Never was sure why he was a Human, Dwarf

 

Paladin commander is changed.

Archangel was 6 speed after rewamp along with inquisitor and magnus.
Ride down is bugged. It goes through everything probably. Also if you have relic in front target is destroyed but Fist do not move.

 

ya I copy pasted from last page and strike-thru doesnt move over it seems. According to poxbase (which was current up until last patch) it was 7 so I cant be completely crazy.

 

Some things that didnt get fully patched from July 4th.

Barbarian Commander

• Battle Leader added to upgrade set 2
• Protective added to upgrade set 2
• Enrage removed from upgrade set 2 ( Still has Enrage 2 in upgrades if it matters)

Interrogator

• Shatter added to base
  
• Punish added to upgrade set 2 ( Still has punish base and upgrade if it matters)
  
• Declare Target added to upgrade set 2

Tundra Barbarian

• Shatter added to 2nd ability set ( Never got this)

 

Don't know if it's a known issue but Attack: Keg is not the basic attack for the Hooligan, so the hotkey is not working

 

Christmas Euan still doesn't have the same upgrade tree as Exotic Euan does.

 

- Pfft you think that's bad... Hanukkah Talgar has "twice" the "upgrades" but they all suck...

 

I really would love to see race: human, class barb. Vengeant Knight is the man right now, and i would love to use violent with humans. Plus i have wanted a good human bg since forever. My reasoning is selfish but it would allow more synergy, I think.

 

Does, Does this mean we will finally have the Human, Barbarian, Paladin's we've been craving?

 

How should Groble Strike force be handled?

 

@Baskitkase Opinions?

Aria the Priestess
-Attack-Lightning changed to Attack-Fire (Art)

Northern Cross Priestess (Should drop her Cleansing Flame and Aura build to 77)
-Attack-Fire changed to Attack-Lighting
-Call: Celestial Spear moved to Upgrades A (For Now)
-Mark of Al'Mara moved from Upgrades A to Base

Is anyone overly attached to her heal options on Tree B and if not what would be good replacement options?

 

Remove class Paladin from them. They are clearly not paladins and im not sold on electric damage as fire is an alt damage type ( physical/fire/magic all from paladins). If they wnat more alt damage run some gosh dang shamans or priests. its not even out of theme, they are suppose to be equal parts of the holy theme. Build some cross class synergy for goodness sake. Hell the spear on a priest is such synergy.

 

Hell yeah !! We need to show them their place. To the kitchen Maleficiaesssss.

 

Agreed. And added to post.

 

I guess that's better. I'm not that hot about 77 for that. Bolt easily wins out at 80 if she's not a paladin. She loses her synergy with command and attendant. I don't see the need for the removal of paladin. The reasons stated by Mr tinfoil are his opinions, and I'm in disagreement with them, /shrug.

Tldr, non paladin, no reason to run her, wimp with pal synergy is crucial.

 

Seconding Baskit. Only reason to run NCP (ESPECIALLY WITH CURRENT COST) is because she's a paladin.

Which actually fits. What argument is there for it to be removed other than the 'priestess' besides the name? She's apart of the Northern Cross, by the lore a sect completely composed of Paladins.

I don't understand why you would remove Paladin from her before Master Axeman.

 

Please do not remove Paladin. I agree with Baskitkase and Legato. I challenge you: Post a good battlegroup you would run her in if she was NOT a Paladin, then list the pros and cons.

 

I'm curious, with people complaining about Paladin's being the IS Race: Demon would now, post revamp, not be the best time to push the benefits of running priests/shamans separated from and included within Paladin BG's? As opposed to simply including them for utility and the fact that they happen to benefit from CtE.

 

Not just Paladins, but Barbarians too (I think the only nonsensical example for Pally is Master Axeman).

That's a fair notion but entirely removed from what's currently being suggested. I'm not a fan of changing things with the intent of someday having a discussion on what purpose it should serve, Poxnora has a terrible track record of doing that backwards.

I'm all for diversifying and putting more meaning behind the classes, if those three classes and their purposes/contributions to CtE as a theme is to be clarified, I can think of no negatives, but the prerequisite is that it's done currently. Ever since the advent of the NCP units there hasn't been much of a reason to run Shamans or Priests when you can viably run all Paladins(Veilwalker was the only exception). Although it didn't begin that way priest and shaman are an afterthought that just so happen to also be affected by CtE, there isn't much of a theme or anything otherwise. Either way, the Northern Cross are a Paladin Order.

 

So Paladin added back on for now. I do think that eventually Paladins should be split more but rocking the boat right now will only further destabilize the CtE theme.