Revamp the range

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Nebron, Jul 30, 2014.

  1. Nebron

    Nebron I need me some PIE!

    Post revamp the ranges on champs are just stupid. So many champs got shoeboxed because their range got butchered for no reason and it seems that ranges are given at random. I propose that we do something a little more sensible.

    Range options:
    1
    1-2
    1-3
    2-4
    3-5
    4-6
    5-7

    Then set a cost to go with each of the options that makes sense. 2-3 champs or guys with 4-5 range are just trash and will forever be bad because of the decision to short them on range for no reason.
     
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  2. Legato

    Legato I need me some PIE!

    I don't mind 4-5, but 2-3 has always been what I consider the worst range (I know UD has a lot of units with this).

    I don't want 5-7 to exist at all ~_~, and I think it's a good thing if the higher ranged ones pay for it by having less minimum range.

    1
    1-2
    1-3
    2-4
    4-5
    5-6

    would be my standard, with pretty much anything outside of it being special (I'd imagine Sarinda for example would have 3-5, or 4-6 and a form with 1-2).
     
  3. Centuros

    Centuros Active Member

    Need range 2 units, so we can have a definitive worst range (or should it be 3?).
    As well as Skeezick Sniper "buffed" by making his range exactly 7, further reducing his ridiculous cost.
     
  4. GabrielQ

    GabrielQ I need me some PIE!

    saying this from the first day.
     
  5. Pipster

    Pipster I need me some PIE!

    I think 5-7 is great and very flavourful when it comes to things like DMC. Why is it a problem on certain units like that?
     
  6. PurpleTop

    PurpleTop I need me some PIE!

    imo mena needs 2 min range back (A buff to KF!? go kill yourself PT). For the most part I agree with the OPost, but the right should be reserved to change that basic range design in SOME cases..... tsome 7 range champs should have special treatment and get 6-7, but many would be fine at 5-7. 6-8 is rare, but extremely strong too so should be given out sparingly. I think 4-5 is kinda weird. 2-3 and 3-4 should not exist. Most 6 rangers could be 4-6, but again some special cases it should be 5-6.

    And to relate this to another thread, Myx sandsnipe(lion) should be 6-7 or 5-6 range imo
     
  7. Sepulcher

    Sepulcher I need me some PIE!

    Personally, I think 6 should be the max range. I know 6+ range has been around since day one (Lich King) but I think anything more is excessive.

    That said, I don't really see a problem with the current range ranges. I certainly don't miss the days of 2-8, 3-7 and whatnot. I think Legato's examples are spot on.
     
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  8. darklord48

    darklord48 Forum Royalty

    I actually think there shouldn't be any range 1-x. Bring back the days when a champ was just melee or just ranged. Only champs like Elemental War Staff had a base melee attack and an ability that allowed a range attack with cooldown.
     
  9. Boozha

    Boozha I need me some PIE!

    1-2 is okay. 1-3 should be a very rare range only found on specialists, and over that it shouldn't exist.
     
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  10. PurpleTop

    PurpleTop I need me some PIE!

    I remember when chaos brave was 1-3 range and I could get him to 1-6

    Firebomber was 1-4 and I could also get him to 1-6 in the right deck. So fun :p
     
  11. darklord48

    darklord48 Forum Royalty

    I remember when MAT was 1-5, just after the diplomats came out with 1-3, it was decided that having 1-x range was too powerful since you could bypass both dodge and block with one champ. Diplomats were allowed to keep 1-3, but MAT was changed, I think it got 2-6.
     
  12. PurpleTop

    PurpleTop I need me some PIE!

    MAT is 1-3 now. But at 5 damage and 63 nora he is not worth running
     
  13. JazzMan1221

    JazzMan1221 Better-Known Member

    He's got Strength of Body though, which bumps him up to 17 damage at full health. He's also got Deflect and Arrowshow now for god knows what reason. Same with Moga Team 6.
     
  14. PurpleTop

    PurpleTop I need me some PIE!

    Derp overlooked SoB. My bad hahahaha. Shows how often I use him lol.
     
  15. darklord48

    darklord48 Forum Royalty

    I think arrowshot is to give him some of the flavor of the original MAT. Deflect was original too. Strength of body is perplexing though.
     
  16. PurpleTop

    PurpleTop I need me some PIE!

    If they dropped SoB, he would have to recieve a significant damage increase to be playable
     
  17. darklord48

    darklord48 Forum Royalty

    I think it used to be 10 damage. I just mean that Strength of Body doesn't fit the original flavor in my mind. I could see it making more sense if they revamped disperse to spawn a different champ set depending on how much HP the MAT had.
     
  18. Boozha

    Boozha I need me some PIE!

    I think SoB fits the concept quite well, but isn't the value it then starts with a bit damn high?
     
  19. Molosse

    Molosse I need me some PIE!

    Liking just the for the sexy misspelled signature.
     
  20. Nebron

    Nebron I need me some PIE!

    I agree with this but like you said 6+ range has been around since day 1 and I don't see it changing now.

    I mainly bring up this subject because of cases like voil screecher/skyhowler where they are near identical runes but I will never consider running howler because screecher is cheaper and has a better range. I find 4-5 range to be just as useless as 2-3 because once a melee gets onto you there is no chance that you will ever be able to fight it.
     

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