Rune Discussion: Nefari Messenger (Week 4)

That is the thing though. Speed costs exponentially more, the greater you have. I can say with utmost certainty she would probably go from 93 to 84 if she went from 7 to 6 spd. Though; I do agree with you on that.

 

Exactly this.

 

but i won't mind 6 speed since she already has initiative 2
they could give ready 1 instead and have a aggregate 4 nora reduction

 

I am fairly certain you have no clue how Aggregate works. It is a 'share hp' mechanic. Who in Pox's name is she going to share HP with?

 

aggregate-
formed or calculated by the combination of several separate elements; total.
as in = 9-5 = 4 nora total decrease

 

Ah, you used the worldly definition, not the ability definition. nvm.

 

So how about it 6 speed and ready? this will still give her sufficient speed boost while reducing her cost

 

I'm not against the idea. I would still like to see more ideas pop up though. That is the point of these discussions. They are not all going to be about shoebox either.

 

Hmm

• -1 spd Nora to 84
• + Ready Nora to 88
• - Life Siphon Nora to 77

End result from suggestions seen so far.
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Nefari Messenger

9 Dmg
6 Spd
1-3 Rng
1 Def
48 Hp

Base Abilities
Attack Magical
Annex
Drive
Ready 1

First Ability Line
Initiative 1
Initiative 2

Second Ability Line
Regeneration 1
Regeneration 2


Base cost to 78. With a choice of 76-80 depending on upgrades.
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Honestly not against this.

I would like to see something done with her 2nd upgrade path, but I think that's just me. I wanted a Rebuke module with Drive. More often then naught something might live with 5 hp. For 2 ap, you can Drive them for 2 life, and 3 Electricity damage for a total of 5. It would also hinder some FW power turns -4 ap is 12 damage in an AoE 7- as well as power turns in general.

This is one idea




Other ideas for her upgrade path 2.

Abash (10 nora)
Aid Defense (7 nora)
Expedite (2 nora)
Ravish (5 nora)
Rebuke 3 (4 nora)
Relieve (2 nora)

There are others ideas. Just a bit busy atm. Wanted to get this out there for discussion.


I am leaning towards Relieve, Rebuke, Ravish. 2/4/5 nora respectively myself.


Thoughts?

 

I would love to see expedite i think it will fit her ability set
ravish seem a little strong she a messenger
rebuke might just drive her cost up again
same for aid defence/abash cost will go up
never really liked relieve honestly they should merge with cleanse

 

Expedite/Rebuke/Relieve seems like a good support line for U2 without overly jacking up the nora cost. I also rather like Ravish since UD is about suicide missions but that ability might be a little strong. Kind of surprised that it's only 5 nora.

 

Expedite/Rebuke/Relieve sounds very nice.

EDIT: Surprised about Ravish myself.

 

Silly me. Forgot to add Ready 1, to base. Fixed.

 

Nefari Messenger

9 Dmg
6 Spd
1-3 Rng
1 Def
48 Hp

Base Abilities
Attack Magical
Annex
Drive
Ready 1

First Ability Line
Initiative 1
Initiative 2

Second Ability Line
Regeneration 1
Regeneration 2

I like this.

 

I would prefer her like this.
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Nefari Messenger

9 Dmg
6 Spd
1-3 Rng
1 Def
48 Hp

Base Abilities
Attack Magical
Drive
Ready 1

First Ability Line
Initiative 1 (Default)
Initiative 2

Second Ability Line
Expedite (Default)
Rebuke 3
Relieve
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Base cost to 76. With a choice of 76-81 depending on upgrades. Theoretically we could also have her upgrade path 2 at one of these 3.

• Expedite/Rebuke 3/Relieve
• Expedite/Regen 2/Relieve
• Expedite/Rebuke 3/Regen 2

I prefer the first, or third possibilities.

@Authyrtyr You got me stuck on Expedite... -_-

 

You forgot Annex unless you've managed to convince Sok to remove the ability.

 

I didn't forget it. That is how I would like to see her. The one before that is just more likely until Sok decides to be done with Annex on Diplomats.

 

Although I rather like that suggestion in Cactuar Crate to make Annex drop your font bonus as an AoE. Not great for UD but I think that it makes Annex interesting and useful. I guess it would be like pseudo-detection in UD.

 

Are you kidding me. That would be great for UD. Fire Acolyte, Anti-Illusion, Psuedo Detection, Purging Flames, and a couple more. It would be very beneficial. Link me to that post. I must like it.

 

Hmm, that's a good point about the interactions. Maybe bring it up with Sok and get feedback from him about it. I like it because it's flavorful but actually useful. I don't remember exactly where I saw it unfortunately.