US congress ominbus spending bill includes 18 million to fight mysogyny in marines.

US marines needs 18 million dollars to fight mysogyny. 18 million dollars!!! You can't change biology. Men are gonna be men. I doubt this is going to change anything. The training is called "Unconscious Bias training." What a waste of money. Only thing that ranks on this level of stupidity and wasting money is Anita Sarkeesian's "Tropes vs. Women in Video Games". Please let me know what you think guys. Link to articles.



http://freebeacon.com/issues/budget-deal-includes-18-million-battle-misogyny-marine-corps/
http://www.military.com/daily-news/...scious-bias-training-women-join-infantry.html

 

US military budget (in 2015, couldn't find more recent figures with a brief google, but it seems a reasonable place to start) is an estimated 597 billion dollars. That's 597,000,000,000 dollars. This program represents 18 million, or 18,000,000 dollars. That's less than 0.005% of the military budget. Total annual federal spending in 2015 is estimated at 3.8 trillion dollars. Or, 3,800,000,000,000 dollars. Perspective is important when looking at spending at government levels. 18 million is a lot for an individual, it's pocket change for a government.

As to the actual point you made about 'men will be men', toxic mentalities in the work place will always cause problems. Actively encouraging it by dismissing concerns as simply 'boys will be boys' is incredibly destructive, and shows pretty clearly how highly you value the lives of the women who've been brave enough to volunteer for service.

 

Spoken like someone who cheats on his wife and blames it on his genetic mandate to spread his seed.

 

We get these kind of classes everyday

i'm more upset this just adds on

 

Don't drag the good name of biology through the mud because you are confusing culture and nature.

if the people that crowdfunded that got what they wanted it wasn't wasted and if they were dissapointed they were idiots for backing it which means money was funelled from idiots to whatever companies and people facilitate the filming and production of a series of youtube videos meaning it wasn't wasted.

While critique of how goverment spends money is important being unsatisfied with how other private people or you yourself spent money does not really make it your business to call things stupid just because you do not agree with their objectives or results. Unless you have some reasoning or evidence how they have achieved the exact opposite of their desired consequence.

personally I have not seen it but damn you have GOT to be some sort of misogynist to care THAT much about it.

 

Don't bring your emotional baggage into this conversation. What I meant when I said "men will be men" was that you have hundreds of 18 yr. olds entering the marines sharing the same living space with women who are joining the marines. Doesen't take a rocket scientist to figure out that these young kids are gonna get it on. It seems like we are spending money on something to cater to feminism when these resources might be used to rebuild roads or improve drinking water for communities. I get the feeling it doesen't matter how objective I am about presenting topics. The same group of people just turns it into a troll festival unless the person creating the thread is Burn Pyro then we all turn into open minded philosophers.

 

You need 18 million dollars to teach people that disrespecting women is wrong? Bro my money is on the fact that these women and men were lonely they had sexual relations, and of course most of these guys are immature 18 year olds and they took pictures and posted them on the internet. Some mentally ill third wave feminists saw these picture and began epic virtue signaling to the gov't. to cut them a paycheck for crying bloody murder so they could create some worthless presentation like Anita Sarkeesian has done with "Tropes vs. Women in Video Games". There are more productive ways to spend money.

 

Look man I'm not saying your marines are rapey, you are.

yeah but a lot of you guys call it socialism and stop it from happening.

 

/forums

 

Also, if a Conservative congress passes this bill, let's not pretend that was for funsies.

There must be a legit problem if the fiscal conservative movement is willing to throw money at it.

They hardly see healthcare as an issue but they would throw away 18mil to cater to feminists? Please.


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Please.

 

Relativism is never a good argument. Of course it's only a drop in the bucket compared to the overall enormous military spending, but 18 million dollars would still matter a lot spent anywhere.

Also I feel people are arguing as if things are mutually exclusive. Saying this is a waste of money doesn't neccessarily mean there isn't a problem.

 

if I take the troop strenght number of the US marines and I add their number of reserves
divide 18 million over them all I get:

75 dollars spent per person in the marines or marines reserves.
if I don't add the reserves it's 90 dollars per marines person.

ooh wait if I take the 18 million and divide it through the american population of 321 million you know how much money ever single US person could have had? around 5 cents.



ok so we need details on:

• the costs of handling a ****/sexual harrasement case within the marines
• the cost of training a marine
• current and projected male/female division
• projected incident numbers with and without this measure

we can calculate exactly how much money is lost/gained and at how much dollar per marine it becomes cheaper to let them molest away.

 

I don't get the problem. The USMC is a boys club. There's nearly 300000 Marines. It will take some cash to actually get something done. It's sad that it's necessary but less sad than doing nothing IMO.

 

not important, how do you feel about the following formula? am I mising something?

number of marines x cost of marine training and housing + ((cost of training&housing x 1.5 atrition) x prevalence) + (prevalence x court/goverment costs)

VS

number of marines x (cost of marine + 75)

of course this is wrong still but I don't know how much that +75 is going to affect prevalence

 

it just sounds like the marines are now getting 'sharp' classes. Interesting

 

Consensual relationships are fine. That is presumably not what the course would be prioritising, if that were their goal they'd invest in sex ed. programmes for schools. What the course would be addressing is ingrained sexism and how to avoid perpetuating it. I would hope you would agree that this is something worth investing time and effort into.

You haven't presented this objectively, though. Your initial post ridicules the idea by simply stating it's a waste of money (no supporting comments), and you make a few more disparaging remarks before comparing it to another, unrelated, article which you also dismiss as stupid.

I should note at this point that it is fine to begin a thread in a non-objective manner, and most threads open this way ("I have opinion X, what do you guys think" is a common way to open a dialogue on a forum). What isn't fine is starting with an opinionated view, failing to provide supporting evidence, then getting frustrated when people disagree with your unsupported assertions and claiming it's unfair people are picking on you for giving an 'objective' viewpoint.

Also, I am not trolling. I am arguing my point, as I expect you to do. The reason I tend not to argue with Burn is because I agree with him on a great many issues, and those where I disagree are generally trivial enough to not be worth discussing seriously. You'll notice that, as a result, I rarely post in one of his threads.

Gerben beat me to it on this one. The price per head is really not that much, particularly compared to the potential cost that not having the training would have. Now, you might disagree with me on how much should be spent per person on this, and so I would ask you what you think a reasonable expenditure would be per person to counteract sexism within the military?

Again, consensual relationships are not the issue here, it's non-consensual stuff that is. Posting nudes online against the wishes of the subject is itself sexual harassment, and should be treated as such. If this were literally all that was happening (which I seriously doubt), then I might agree with you that the expenditure is excessive (though again, it's a very small portion of the budget). However, there are systemic issues within the military that need to be resolved on this front, to argue otherwise is to ignore the evidence.

Also, you're probably right that there are more productive places for the money to be spent. If you're wanting to address the core issue, for example, then investing in sex ed. for schools would be a really good first step. If you're just generally looking to make the US a better place, then you could invest in infrastructure or education. However, while these are arguably better places to spend the money, there are probably also better places to take the money from. Addressing the issues in the military is a worthwhile cause and, given how small a portion of the military's budget it's using, it's a pretty efficient one too.

Looking at one thing relative to another is really the only way to do this, though. Yes, that $18 million could be used to make an impact elsewhere, but it would still not be a significant amount of money at the government level. You could also make this same argument about pretty much any government expenditure, there's no special reason why this program in particular should be defunded, and there are several good arguments for why it shouldn't.

This is also true.