Umm, +2 AP per turn is basically +2 speed. Kind of OP, is it not? Never the less, I voted for that one.
probably globally yes. For certain kind of champions like long range or stealth champs it may be better to store more aps for powerturns, but the inital turns and font mechanics makes ap gain a big advantage.
obviously 2 ap/ turn is better than 1 speed i woudn't mind +2 ap max cap but its annoying to high speeds cause they need to acummulate more ap than lower speed to benefit especially if opponent has punish runes example 8 speed need 6 ap to get 14 ap instead of 12 7 speed rune has 5 ap to get 13 ap instead of 11 6 speed need 4 ap to get 12 ap instead of 10
Would they get a different bonus or nothing at all? Even UD's bonus gives something to those champs that don't get the full +4 DMG.
Well then there would literally be no reason to give a champion in KF 7 SPD. Every champion would be better at 6 SPD because it would be 8 nora cheaper (in FF). If you wanted to nerf a 6 SPD champion you would give it +1 SPD? If this change happened, all KF champions would be 6 SPD (or lower) or, for +16 nora, have 8 SPD.
Good point, that was a half baked response on my part. Despite the inability to justify having a 7spd vs a 6spd, we'd be face with the same issue as before KF/X still won't be worth it. Unless it's a grims mirror cheese bg I see no other reason to split for a higher ap cap.. Just dosent make sense, and if we where to change the bonus we'd have to have an overhaul for all kf champs considering they're made with bonus in mind.
I tried my best to get a bonus change to happen while Gedden was revamping everything but, obviously, it didn't happen. That was probably the best shot for a bonus change in the foreseeable future for, as you mentioned, every champion in KF would need a change.
I agree, why don't we just see what the runes are like without the faction bonus for a little while. I'm pretty sure that it'd highlight just how much KF champs really do have there faction bonus taken into account when creating and costing a rune. Alot of people are moaning about the instant hitting the ground speed hit of IS and ST too. Why not make the font/shrine bonuses apply when only the warbanner is out? Or eve go as far as to say your faction bonus is only available/unlocked when the warbanner is out? I mean surely the flag is like a key part to any army??
http://forums.poxnora.com/index.php?threads/ever-wondered-which-faction-is-the-slowest.7158/ Actually in this post I evaluated wich faction is the slowest and yes, in average, KF, is the slowest if you take into consideration cost of champions. But the difference between factions is not so huge. The fastest faction (always nora-cost normalized) is SP that is in average 7% faster thank KF. Code: Faction Speed Damage Hit minRng maxRng Forsaken Wastes 1.01 1.00 1.00 0.90 1.30 Underdepths 1.02 1.04 1.01 0.66 1.00 Sundered Lands 1.03 1.07 1.02 0.77 1.17 K'thir Forest 1.00 1.01 1.00 1.00 1.51 Shattered Peaks 1.07 1.03 1.07 0.81 1.19 Forglar Swamp 1.02 1.06 1.04 0.90 1.35 Ironfist Stronghold 1.01 1.01 1.07 0.78 1.12 Savage Tundra 1.01 1.03 1.02 0.77 1.14
